BDC 2008 rules and regulations - Page 2 - Drifting forum

scrutineer · 14-12-2007, 00:50

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Originally Posted by MJG

How come motorbike "gold sticker" helmets aren't allowed? Is there a difference in impact protection? I fail to see how a bike lid designed to bounce of walls at 100mph cannot protect against a knock against some rollcage padding or a suede steering wheel?

its an old question thats been gome over many time in here but the bike helmets and cmotorsport helmets are designed to withstand differant types of impact - for motorsport they may get many repeated smaller impacts rather than one tarmac headbut.
there are other differences as well

as for ACU gold - one its purely a bike test and therefore not relevant to motorsport for the reason above
secondly there are actually at least three ACU gold labels .... which mean different things appently I believe that the number of gold rings round the outside of the label vary but i have yet to find anyone that knows what the types actually are.

and thirdly - very carefully worded

ACU Gold stickers can be applied to helmets that are suitable for BIKE motorsport and not CAR motorsport therefore as a indication of suitability for drifting they are useless as the helmet may be ok but may not ..... if an ACU gold and a relevent sticker are there then the helmet is fine but definately not with just an gold or a gold with a EC 2205 sticker
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MJG · 14-12-2007, 01:13

OK then sorry for making you tread over old ground, looks like I'll just have to buy that shit open faced thing for £60. Would it be OK to paint it with ordinary aerosol paint, or would that render the helmet invalid?

Cheers.

scrutineer · 14-12-2007, 07:33

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Originally Posted by MJG

OK then sorry for making you tread over old ground, looks like I'll just have to buy that shit open faced thing for £60. Would it be OK to paint it with ordinary aerosol paint, or would that render the helmet invalid?

Cheers.

the material of a hemet is the decider about painting helmets - have a look on here :
http://www.acu.org.uk/uploaded/documents/C%2065-81.pdf

they also confirm that the ACU gold is irrelevent as far as car motorsport goes in that they say on there that the gold can be applied to BS6658-85 type B helmets which are purely bike helmets and not suitable for car motorsport.... so therefore the gold label means nothing to us

If you get the helmet from a reputable supplier its worth asking them about what you can use for painting ......but above all else
never paint over or remove the approval sticker

even on a brand new £500 helmet if the standard sticker is not there or not readable then the helmet cannot be used - the scrutineer has to actually see the label to approve it

FlikstRR · 14-12-2007, 09:16

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Originally Posted by scrutineer

although the 6658 part of the number is right the current labels read BS6658 85 typeA (or afr)
the one your got sound like its pretty old TBH and looks like yourll need a new one ... sorry
just for info , the difference between a type A and a type AFR helmet is that the AFR has a fire resistant lining

meh, thats what i thought.. so in that case can we have some links supplied to approved outlets, where our cash is garanteed well spent.

I'm gutted the MX ones aren't enough tho.. they look so purdy!

Jeek™ · 14-12-2007, 12:03

This is the new version of the one i have

rallynuts.com motorsport : OMP Veloce Helmet NEW motor sports & karting

passed EDC regs last year

And your not meant to paint them or stick stickers to them!

MJG · 14-12-2007, 12:31

Gloves
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Hurricane Race Gloves - £34

Boots
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Top Driver Mid Race Boots - £91

Balaclava
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Soft Touch Eyehole Balaclava - £27

Helmet
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Club Helmet - £81

Total = £233

Are all these items acceptable? I don't want to buy them then find out the code used is not correct etc. I think most people could stick with the same/similar items as they are some of the cheapest available really.

Plus proban HTHughes overalls that I already have.

That's a fair amount of safety equipment, but nothing should really wear out or go out of date for a few years, so it's a one-time investment really. And it's only a matter of time before someone is saved by the safety equipment so can't grumble really.

scrutineer · 14-12-2007, 19:05

all of those look ok so no problems there

keep them questions coming -

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJG

Gloves
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Hurricane Race Gloves - £34

Boots
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Top Driver Mid Race Boots - £91

Balaclava
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Soft Touch Eyehole Balaclava - £27

Helmet
rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Club Helmet - £81

Total = £233

Are all these items acceptable? I don't want to buy them then find out the code used is not correct etc. I think most people could stick with the same/similar items as they are some of the cheapest available really.

Plus proban HTHughes overalls that I already have.

That's a fair amount of safety equipment, but nothing should really wear out or go out of date for a few years, so it's a one-time investment really. And it's only a matter of time before someone is saved by the safety equipment so can't grumble really.

Polo · 14-12-2007, 19:45

Incase you missed it back in this thread ill put it up again

Batterys

The race cars i deal with have dry cell batterys, in the drivers compartment, with out box's or covers and this is fine for the scrutes at all the CSCC etc race meets

Just with some tape over the terminals and that its secure.
Is this ok for us?

howler · 14-12-2007, 19:50

* * 4-6. (PRO-AM) Vehicles must have FIA approved racing seat for the driver and does not have to be in date but must be in good condition. i.e. not showing any signs of stress, cracks or damage to the structure of the seat and Fixed using a minimum of four 8mm bolts (ISO 8.8) and 5 sq inch spreader plates

Does this mean that using my driftworks subframe (http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/pr...ight-side.html) is no good?

Not actually measured its moutning surface but not sure it will be 5 inch square?

**SteveC200** · 14-12-2007, 19:58

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Originally Posted by howler

* * 4-6. (PRO-AM) Vehicles must have FIA approved racing seat for the driver and does not have to be in date but must be in good condition. i.e. not showing any signs of stress, cracks or damage to the structure of the seat and Fixed using a minimum of four 8mm bolts (ISO 8.8) and 5 sq inch spreader plates

Does this mean that using my driftworks subframe (http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/pr...ight-side.html) is no good?

Not actually measured its moutning surface but not sure it will be 5 inch square?

I had similar concerns earlier this year with the EDC regs. The answer from Marc (Scrutineer) was that as long as the seat is secure then it will be fine. The 5" plates are to be used if the seat is bolted directly through the floor rather than on the original seat mounting points.

Just quote and give us a

if this still applies Marc, saves your poor little fingers from wearing out.

Jord · 15-12-2007, 09:12

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Originally Posted by Jord

Just a clarification on harnesses - I can't see in the regs if these need to be FIA approved or have any other type of approval on them?

Can anyone clarify this please?

scrutineer · 15-12-2007, 18:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jord

Can anyone clarify this please?

the harness needs to comply with SFI or FIA standards

LUFFY · 17-12-2007, 09:42

i defo need a new harness then

regarding bucket seats, i have cobra monacos in mine which are FIA but date on it says to 1995, will these be ok for AM or do i need to get a new one, please say no!

FlikstRR · 17-12-2007, 10:00

if u check the rules it does say the seat NEEDS to be FIA but doesn't need to be in date. It does however need to be in a good condition... no cracks etc.

LUFFY · 17-12-2007, 10:02

yeah thats what i read and thought, the seat is FIA and its in good nick so should be ok, im only doing AM to so hopefully shouldnt be a prob, i got enough things to buy and sort, didnt want a seat to be another thing on the list.

cheers

scrutineer · 17-12-2007, 10:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteveC200

I had similar concerns earlier this year with the EDC regs. The answer from Marc (Scrutineer) was that as long as the seat is secure then it will be fine. The 5" plates are to be used if the seat is bolted directly through the floor rather than on the original seat mounting points.

Just quote and give us a

if this still applies Marc, saves your poor little fingers from wearing out.

the subframe would be classed as part of the seat so the subframe would need bolting down as in the regs and as a aftermarket frame would be mounted on the floor not using the original mounts then it would need spreader plates.

by the way when plates are described as 5" they do not have to be square - 6.5x4" 8x3etc is fine if that fits better its the area thats needed

marc

scrutineer · 17-12-2007, 10:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by cefiro_drifta

oh man that sucks balls... i dont know if my border is FIA approved ???????????????????????

FIA approved seats have a label stuck, sewn or printed on them - normally on the left side (the left while you are sitting in the seat )

LUFFY · 17-12-2007, 10:53

does th passenger harness have to be FIA approved?

Marc, will my monaco seat be ok, has an FIA approved badge on it but says till 1995, will this be ok for AM

FlikstRR · 17-12-2007, 10:54

there will be a 'chart' on it somewhere.. will have the months and the years.. mine i think is marked on 'sept' and '2005' I think.

like this:

MJG · 17-12-2007, 10:55

If it is FIA and in good nick then yes it's fine.

And if you plan on carrying passengers then the passenger seat and harness both need to be FIA.

One quick question though, does the harness have to be FIA in date, or same rules as the seat (good condition regardless of date etc)?

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14-12-2007, 01:13	#22 (permalink)
MJG Most wanted Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 9,436	OK then sorry for making you tread over old ground, looks like I'll just have to buy that shit open faced thing for £60. Would it be OK to paint it with ordinary aerosol paint, or would that render the helmet invalid? Cheers.

14-12-2007, 12:03	#25 (permalink)
Jeek™ www.TrampDrift.com Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,142	This is the new version of the one i have rallynuts.com motorsport : OMP Veloce Helmet NEW motor sports & karting passed EDC regs last year And your not meant to paint them or stick stickers to them!

14-12-2007, 12:31	#26 (permalink)
MJG Most wanted Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 9,436	Gloves rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Hurricane Race Gloves - £34 Boots rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Top Driver Mid Race Boots - £91 Balaclava rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Soft Touch Eyehole Balaclava - £27 Helmet rallynuts.com motorsport : Sparco Club Helmet - £81 Total = £233 Are all these items acceptable? I don't want to buy them then find out the code used is not correct etc. I think most people could stick with the same/similar items as they are some of the cheapest available really. Plus proban HTHughes overalls that I already have. That's a fair amount of safety equipment, but nothing should really wear out or go out of date for a few years, so it's a one-time investment really. And it's only a matter of time before someone is saved by the safety equipment so can't grumble really.

14-12-2007, 19:45	#28 (permalink)
Polo Team Green! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Aylesbury Posts: 1,783	Incase you missed it back in this thread ill put it up again Batterys The race cars i deal with have dry cell batterys, in the drivers compartment, with out box's or covers and this is fine for the scrutes at all the CSCC etc race meets Just with some tape over the terminals and that its secure. Is this ok for us?

14-12-2007, 19:50	#29 (permalink)
howler dorifto kingu! Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 693	* * 4-6. (PRO-AM) Vehicles must have FIA approved racing seat for the driver and does not have to be in date but must be in good condition. i.e. not showing any signs of stress, cracks or damage to the structure of the seat and Fixed using a minimum of four 8mm bolts (ISO 8.8) and 5 sq inch spreader plates Does this mean that using my driftworks subframe (http://www.driftworks.com/catalog/pr...ight-side.html) is no good? Not actually measured its moutning surface but not sure it will be 5 inch square?

17-12-2007, 09:42	#33 (permalink)
LUFFY spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 252	i defo need a new harness then regarding bucket seats, i have cobra monacos in mine which are FIA but date on it says to 1995, will these be ok for AM or do i need to get a new one, please say no!

17-12-2007, 10:00	#34 (permalink)
FlikstRR dorifto kingu! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 1,900	if u check the rules it does say the seat NEEDS to be FIA but doesn't need to be in date. It does however need to be in a good condition... no cracks etc.

17-12-2007, 10:02	#35 (permalink)
LUFFY spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 252	yeah thats what i read and thought, the seat is FIA and its in good nick so should be ok, im only doing AM to so hopefully shouldnt be a prob, i got enough things to buy and sort, didnt want a seat to be another thing on the list. cheers

17-12-2007, 10:53	#38 (permalink)
LUFFY spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 252	does th passenger harness have to be FIA approved? Marc, will my monaco seat be ok, has an FIA approved badge on it but says till 1995, will this be ok for AM

17-12-2007, 10:54	#39 (permalink)
FlikstRR dorifto kingu! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 1,900	there will be a 'chart' on it somewhere.. will have the months and the years.. mine i think is marked on 'sept' and '2005' I think. like this:

17-12-2007, 10:55	#40 (permalink)
MJG Most wanted Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 9,436	If it is FIA and in good nick then yes it's fine. And if you plan on carrying passengers then the passenger seat and harness both need to be FIA. One quick question though, does the harness have to be FIA in date, or same rules as the seat (good condition regardless of date etc)?