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BDC · 09-12-2007, 19:36

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**SteveC200** · 09-12-2007, 20:37

Is there any reason why BDC consider it essential to be able to access an empty boot?

It was binned by EDC at the start of this year (EDC rule 4.5), although the change didnt make its way down to 4.9.

MJG · 09-12-2007, 20:47

I can imagine it being a big help if there was a bad smash and they could only get YOU out through the boot. But that wouldn't really be applicable on a saloon.

Also, it says the bootlid must also be secured with 2 bonnet pins. Would boot springs not be suitable?

And the plumbed in fire extinguisher for pro-am, is that to be in addition to a 2litre hand held one or can it be installed alone?

And a final question, I'm sure I read somewhere that the windows must remain operable ie wind up and down, is this necessary or can I have fixed lexan windows? I was going to rivet/screw some lexan in place but if they need to wind up and down then that kinda screws that idea up lol.

Thanks! I can get excited about next year now

Oooh, is there going to be a diagram drawn up of where championship stickers will go? I've got some things to put on my car and obviously need to think about where the BDC stuff's going to go and how big it is etc.

Thanks.

**SteveC200** · 09-12-2007, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJG

I can imagine it being a big help if there was a bad smash and they could only get YOU out through the boot. But that wouldn't really be applicable on a saloon.

There must be an easier way than through the boot considering there will be a bloody great big rollcage in the way.

It was agreed by EDC that boot access would only apply if there was a fuel cell/nitrous bottle in the boot.

BDC · 09-12-2007, 21:27

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Originally Posted by SteveC200

That would be noticed during the scrutineering so if it doesnt then theres no need for the boot to be accessible? Surely that needs making clear in the rules.

Will we amend the rules at your request.

They will state the boot must be accessible if the car has a fuel tank/cell/pump/lines/swirl pot or any other components that may cause a fire hazzard within the boot.

Thank you for bringing it to our attention.

The BDC Team.

cookwibble · 09-12-2007, 22:37

I know im being awkward but i would like to clarify before cutting holes in bodywork/spending money!!!
im gonna be in AM next year so re:
3.21: standard overflow tank ok? and i MUST have an oil catch tank?
4.9: i MUST have 2 bonnet pins?
4.11: the above must be flush fit ones?

sorry to be a pain but i just need to be sure!!!

BDC · 10-12-2007, 00:07

Quote:
Originally Posted by cookwibble

I know im being awkward but i would like to clarify before cutting holes in bodywork/spending money!!!
im gonna be in AM next year so re:
3.21: standard overflow tank ok? and i MUST have an oil catch tank?
4.9: i MUST have 2 bonnet pins?
4.11: the above must be flush fit ones?

sorry to be a pain but i just need to be sure!!!

Standard overflow tank is ok.

If you have a breather pipe which does not return into the inlet system on the car an oil catch tank is required.

We will confirm rule re bonnet pins asap.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baba

Thanks for beaing so efficient and professional. Rules are a bit strict but I wont complain because its a step in the right direction

Well done BDC

They are strict for reasons that will become apparent in a future announcment.

Thank you for your questions and comments.

The BDC Team.

superclarkey · 10-12-2007, 01:15

Will lexan front window screens be allowed if supported (braced) with a full international spec weld in rally cage is installed ?

also with T45 spec cages, will smaller wall thinkness be allowed due to higher strenth ? would sooner have a full rally cage, but if we have to use extremly think T45 then it will have to be a basic 6 point.

clarkey.

Captain Muppet · 10-12-2007, 09:01

Rule 2-6 says that convertables must have a "must have a hard top installed and a roll cage which will be effective in the event of a vehicle rolling onto its roof". Will a four point bolt in roll cage to rule 8-1 be acceptable for a convertable in Am class?

[pedant] rule 8-1 states the the roll cage securing plate must be "5 square inch plate". I think this should be "5 inch square plate" [/pedant]

driftdreamin · 10-12-2007, 14:13

Can some who really knows give me a yes no answer please as to weather any part of my cusco cage can be used for BDC/EDC etc. The sticker reads 40mm T2.0 . two reasons want to know ,first to see if i need complete new one and second dont want to sell to some one else then they find they cant use it

BDC · 10-12-2007, 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by superclarkey

Will lexan front window screens be allowed if supported (braced) with a full international spec weld in rally cage is installed ?

also with T45 spec cages, will smaller wall thinkness be allowed due to higher strenth ? would sooner have a full rally cage, but if we have to use extremly think T45 then it will have to be a basic 6 point.

clarkey.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDC rules

Originally Posted by BDC rules
3-16. All windows can be exchanged for racing lexan materials where necessary except the front window screen, this must remain OEM (laminated) glass.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Muppet

Rule 2-6 says that convertables must have a "must have a hard top installed and a roll cage which will be effective in the event of a vehicle rolling onto its roof". Will a four point bolt in roll cage to rule 8-1 be acceptable for a convertable in Am class?

[pedant] rule 8-1 states the the roll cage securing plate must be "5 square inch plate". I think this should be "5 inch square plate" [/pedant]

This means a surface area of 5 square inches as Kieron has stated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by driftdreamin

Can some who really knows give me a yes no answer please as to weather any part of my cusco cage can be used for BDC/EDC etc. The sticker reads 40mm T2.0 . two reasons want to know ,first to see if i need complete new one and second dont want to sell to some one else then they find they cant use it

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Pikey

I have the same cage and need to know aswell.

Thank you for your questions and responses' to the rules and regulations being posted.

The reason the rollcage regulations are due to these being the minimum requirements for large venues such as Silverstone.

As stated on the BDC website, these rules and regs have been written in conjunction with the EDC, the chief scrutineer will be answering your questions on the finer details of the regulations.

Once again ladies and gents we ask you for your patience waiting for a definative answer to your questions. We have posted these rules in good time to allow for issues to be dealt with.

Thank you.

The BDC Team.

scrutineer · 10-12-2007, 20:18

the idea of a spreader plate for a rollcage foot is just that, to spread the load if the car was to roll - a plate 2" x 2.5" really wouldn't spread the load that well. The larger the plate the better - but the regs were intended to mean a plate 5x5 inches but it does not have to be square - 4x6.5" is fine etc

scrutineer · 10-12-2007, 20:55

The cage tubing dimensions in the edc regs are the minimum standards we can use regarding the nature of the championship bearing in mind we need to get fully insured...... 100mph entry speeds are a serious business!
the only time we can accept a cage of smaller tubing size would be for a cage built by a recognised rollcage manufacturer that FULLY COMPLIES WITH MSA/FIA regulations and has a current ROPS certificate. It would be impossible to get a home brew cage a ROPS certificate and even then we would need to be consulted about the cage before entry -
the rollcage is one of the vital bits of safety equipment and we just cannot afford to compromise on that

scrutineer · 10-12-2007, 21:47

[quote=superclarkey;605225]Thats not a problem, i can apply for approval via a mock up and technical drawing to achive the status, i just don't want to build a fully spec cage out of 1mm to be turned away.

its a very hard area - building a safe cage from small tubing is much harder to do and ultimately has to be traceable- as you know, a MSA ROPS cage would have both a certificate AND an identity plate i dont know what costs are involved but certainly this would be way beyond virtually everyone and of course if you were serious about this route it would be essential to talk to the championship scrutineer in detail before doing anything

I know what your saying, it a hard call to make, but if i come up with proper paperwork i can't see any reason why i couldn't enter if its good enough to enter a WRC rally. (they have trees to hit

)

As for front window, is the argument down to "structure" of the roof or what ? (out of interest)

No the biggest consideration is the material itself and its thickness. what thickness were you thinking about?

Are you a listed scrutineer in the blue book out of interest ? if so what region are you ?

yes - national B and environmental based in south east - happy to talk direct

thank you for your responce tho

/QUOTE]

all answered in red

no problems - always happy to explain regs- better now than at the first event

scrutineer · 10-12-2007, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pikey

So the Cusco ones dont then?

I didnt test my cage, lol, I worked out the relevant section property of the tubes, which in bending is 'I' (second moment of area). It does seem really strange that Cusco would choose such a useless size, but there you go.

At least I've got a template to copy, and should be able to sell it to afford the steel for my new cage

its hard and its not nice telling anyone that

problem is that the japanese work to very different regs/standards/insurance to us so their design is fine there
i think drift/time attack needs a full time international scrutineer to co-ordinate regs between UK,Japan,USA,NZ and australia

....purely in the interests of stopping problems like that of course

Captain Muppet · 11-12-2007, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Muppet

Rule 2-6 says that convertables must have a "must have a hard top installed and a roll cage which will be effective in the event of a vehicle rolling onto its roof". Will a four point bolt in roll cage to rule 8-1 be acceptable for a convertable in Am class?

So will a four point cage and a hard top be Ok for Am class or do I need a full cage?

Polo · 12-12-2007, 21:36

Batterys

The race cars i deal with have dry cell batterys, in the drivers compartment, with out box's or covers and this is fine for the scrutes at all the CSCC etc race meets

Just with some tape over the terminals and that its secure.
Is this ok for us?

Jord · 12-12-2007, 21:49

Just a clarification on harnesses - I can't see in the regs if these need to be FIA approved or have any other type of approval on them?

mr2 · 13-12-2007, 19:52

in the regs is says nothing about what type of bonnet pins have to be used?

i see that somebody has wrote earlier in the thread that they have to be flush pins?

is this correct.

sorry to be a pain in the arse but i jus need to get this sorted i got enough to worry about at the mo.

scrutineer · 14-12-2007, 00:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlikstRR

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Cheers scrutineer for your comments! Glad you said that before i purchased the shiney pretty helmets.. I would be interested to se now how many of last years eurodrift guys have to get helmets.. and if my current one is ok??

on the label (v faded) it says: STRADA APPROVED TYPE R, BS 6658 1986

although the 6658 part of the number is right the current labels read BS6658 85 typeA (or afr)
the one your got sound like its pretty old TBH and looks like yourll need a new one ... sorry
just for info , the difference between a type A and a type AFR helmet is that the AFR has a fire resistant lining

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superclarkey Mood=Badical! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Birmingham-spec Posts: 8,482	Will lexan front window screens be allowed if supported (braced) with a full international spec weld in rally cage is installed ? also with T45 spec cages, will smaller wall thinkness be allowed due to higher strenth ? would sooner have a full rally cage, but if we have to use extremly think T45 then it will have to be a basic 6 point. clarkey. Last edited by superclarkey : 10-12-2007 at 01:20.

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driftdreamin touge runner Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 164	cusco? Can some who really knows give me a yes no answer please as to weather any part of my cusco cage can be used for BDC/EDC etc. The sticker reads 40mm T2.0 . two reasons want to know ,first to see if i need complete new one and second dont want to sell to some one else then they find they cant use it

10-12-2007, 21:47	#14 (permalink)
scrutineer spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 253	[quote=superclarkey;605225]Thats not a problem, i can apply for approval via a mock up and technical drawing to achive the status, i just don't want to build a fully spec cage out of 1mm to be turned away. its a very hard area - building a safe cage from small tubing is much harder to do and ultimately has to be traceable- as you know, a MSA ROPS cage would have both a certificate AND an identity plate i dont know what costs are involved but certainly this would be way beyond virtually everyone and of course if you were serious about this route it would be essential to talk to the championship scrutineer in detail before doing anything I know what your saying, it a hard call to make, but if i come up with proper paperwork i can't see any reason why i couldn't enter if its good enough to enter a WRC rally. (they have trees to hit ) As for front window, is the argument down to "structure" of the roof or what ? (out of interest) No the biggest consideration is the material itself and its thickness. what thickness were you thinking about? Are you a listed scrutineer in the blue book out of interest ? if so what region are you ? yes - national B and environmental based in south east - happy to talk direct thank you for your responce tho /QUOTE] all answered in redno problems - always happy to explain regs- better now than at the first event Last edited by scrutineer : 10-12-2007 at 21:50.

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09-12-2007, 20:37	#2 (permalink)
SteveC200 talent bypass Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Essex Posts: 5,865	Is there any reason why BDC consider it essential to be able to access an empty boot? It was binned by EDC at the start of this year (EDC rule 4.5), although the change didnt make its way down to 4.9.

09-12-2007, 20:47	#3 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 10,701	I can imagine it being a big help if there was a bad smash and they could only get YOU out through the boot. But that wouldn't really be applicable on a saloon. Also, it says the bootlid must also be secured with 2 bonnet pins. Would boot springs not be suitable? And the plumbed in fire extinguisher for pro-am, is that to be in addition to a 2litre hand held one or can it be installed alone? And a final question, I'm sure I read somewhere that the windows must remain operable ie wind up and down, is this necessary or can I have fixed lexan windows? I was going to rivet/screw some lexan in place but if they need to wind up and down then that kinda screws that idea up lol. Thanks! I can get excited about next year now Oooh, is there going to be a diagram drawn up of where championship stickers will go? I've got some things to put on my car and obviously need to think about where the BDC stuff's going to go and how big it is etc. Thanks.

09-12-2007, 22:37	#6 (permalink)
cookwibble dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,653	I know im being awkward but i would like to clarify before cutting holes in bodywork/spending money!!! im gonna be in AM next year so re: 3.21: standard overflow tank ok? and i MUST have an oil catch tank? 4.9: i MUST have 2 bonnet pins? 4.11: the above must be flush fit ones? sorry to be a pain but i just need to be sure!!!

10-12-2007, 09:01	#9 (permalink)
Captain Muppet EuroDrift's slowest loser Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: three feet away from a tiny little turbo Posts: 1,134	Rule 2-6 says that convertables must have a "must have a hard top installed and a roll cage which will be effective in the event of a vehicle rolling onto its roof". Will a four point bolt in roll cage to rule 8-1 be acceptable for a convertable in Am class? [pedant] rule 8-1 states the the roll cage securing plate must be "5 square inch plate". I think this should be "5 inch square plate" [/pedant]

10-12-2007, 20:18	#12 (permalink)
scrutineer spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 253	the idea of a spreader plate for a rollcage foot is just that, to spread the load if the car was to roll - a plate 2" x 2.5" really wouldn't spread the load that well. The larger the plate the better - but the regs were intended to mean a plate 5x5 inches but it does not have to be square - 4x6.5" is fine etc

10-12-2007, 20:55	#13 (permalink)
scrutineer spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex Posts: 253	The cage tubing dimensions in the edc regs are the minimum standards we can use regarding the nature of the championship bearing in mind we need to get fully insured...... 100mph entry speeds are a serious business! the only time we can accept a cage of smaller tubing size would be for a cage built by a recognised rollcage manufacturer that FULLY COMPLIES WITH MSA/FIA regulations and has a current ROPS certificate. It would be impossible to get a home brew cage a ROPS certificate and even then we would need to be consulted about the cage before entry - the rollcage is one of the vital bits of safety equipment and we just cannot afford to compromise on that

12-12-2007, 21:36	#17 (permalink)
Polo Team Green! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the workshop! Posts: 2,075	Batterys The race cars i deal with have dry cell batterys, in the drivers compartment, with out box's or covers and this is fine for the scrutes at all the CSCC etc race meets Just with some tape over the terminals and that its secure. Is this ok for us?

12-12-2007, 21:49	#18 (permalink)
Jord F*ck your EGO. Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peterborough Posts: 7,405	Just a clarification on harnesses - I can't see in the regs if these need to be FIA approved or have any other type of approval on them?

13-12-2007, 19:52	#19 (permalink)
mr2 dorifto kingu! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rainham,Essex Posts: 504	in the regs is says nothing about what type of bonnet pins have to be used? i see that somebody has wrote earlier in the thread that they have to be flush pins? is this correct. sorry to be a pain in the arse but i jus need to get this sorted i got enough to worry about at the mo.