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Old 09-03-2009, 12:22   #1 (permalink)
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BDC reserve list 2009 - Details

Ladies and gents

We will be operating a reserve list in 2009 as we did in 2008.

Drivers who applied to compete in round one and were not lucky enough to get a place have automatically been placed on the reserve list.

Any driver wishing to compete in the BDC that did not get a place in round one must contact the BDC via pm or email bdc@live.co.uk

We will then place you on the reserve list on a first come first serve basis.

Should a place become available at any round of the championship we will contact the driver on top of the list by any means possible to offer them the place.

If the driver chooses not to take the place they will be placed at the bottom of the reserve list. The place will then be offered to the next driver on the list until we have filled the space.

If a driver who has paid for the full season cannot compete for what ever reason, the driver on top of the reserve list will be offered the place. This does not guarantee the reserve list driver a place at the next round of the championship, the place will automatically be offered back to the full season driver. You will however remain at the top of the reserve list and be offered a place at the next round should one become available.

The BDC stresses that any driver that cannot compete at a round of the championship for what ever reason, they should contact the BDC as soon as possible for us to implement the reserve list.

The BDC is a drivers championship and we wish to give as many of you the chance to compete as possible.

We wish you all the very best for 2009 and we will see you at Donington for round one.

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Old 13-03-2009, 18:15   #2 (permalink)
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Bruno mate, we who have been loyal to the championship from the drift uk days are all dissapointed that it was first come first served instead of loyalty shown to us.
Yeah it really does suck ass (major understatement) but theres nout we can do about it now mate

Though i was under the impression that those who moved to EDC after doing a round of BDC could not come back.... meaning there would be a good few places freed up after round 1.

If this is not the case, can we have that stated please, as theres no point me (and others) waiting in the wings thinking ill get into round 2, when in fact i may not get in at all, cos tbh i wanna drift this year and if the crossing between championships is now allowed im as well to do another championship instead.
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Every driver was told the payment format and every driver was given the same opportunity to pay for a full season or the first round. First come, first serve is the fairest way to treat EVERYONE. You had the email and the same chance to pay as everyone else.

They didn't give priority for Michael Jackson concert tickets to people who have attended his previous concerts. I missed out because I wasn't quick enough to buy some nor dedicated enough to be there at dead on the minute the tickets went on sale. Perhaps I should whinge to the organisers...
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Every driver was told the payment format and every driver was given the same opportunity to pay for a full season or the first round. First come, first serve is the fairest way to treat EVERYONE. You had the email and the same chance to pay as everyone else.

They didn't give priority for Michael Jackson concert tickets to people who have attended his previous concerts. I missed out because I wasn't quick enough to buy some nor dedicated enough to be there at dead on the minute the tickets went on sale. Perhaps I should whinge to the organisers...
agreed or there no point in new people getting their licences to compete
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Every driver was told the payment format and every driver was given the same opportunity to pay for a full season or the first round. First come, first serve is the fairest way to treat EVERYONE. You had the email and the same chance to pay as everyone else.

They didn't give priority for Michael Jackson concert tickets to people who have attended his previous concerts. I missed out because I wasn't quick enough to buy some nor dedicated enough to be there at dead on the minute the tickets went on sale. Perhaps I should whinge to the organisers...
so people who have been loyal to bdc and drift uk before that who are victims of circumstance ( especially given the current climate ) get the heave ho just beause they can't afford to make a payment in a 10 minute window at midnight and some person who see's it as the lattest fad get's there slot?? not fair imho.

other championships have given existing drivers first refusal on spots and show loyalty to those who have stuck with them. much fairer way to do it in my lowly opionion. there will always be slots for up and coming people that way as those who move on to other championships or out of the sport create spaces for newer drivers

editted to add:

your micheal jackson analogy holds no weight as o2 customers , being loyal to their provider, were offered first refusal before the general public
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so people who have been loyal to bdc and drift uk before that who are victims of circumstance ( especially given the current climate ) get the heave ho just beause they can't afford to make a payment in a 10 minute window at midnight and some person who see's it as the lattest fad get's there slot?? not fair imho.

other championships have given existing drivers first refusal on spots and show loyalty to those who have stuck with them. much fairer way to do it in my lowly opionion. there will always be slots for up and coming people that way as those who move on to other championships or out of the sport create spaces for newer drivers

editted to add:

your micheal jackson analogy holds no weight as o2 customers , being loyal to their provider, were offered first refusal before the general public

Simple dont give out so many licances or make it harder to get one no point having hundreds of licanced drivers if only a few can compete, thats whats not fair IMO!
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it was said at the last licence day that it was going to get harder to get a licence
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Its a hard call because if all the normal drivers got first refusel then no one new would ever be able to get in, ideally the best way is to hold a day before the event of qualifying if you dont make the grade you don't drive.. thats the only fair way of doing it.. but this option costs extra moneys..

its hard for the championship to keep it fair.. either way someone will loose out
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so people who have been loyal to bdc and drift uk before that who are victims of circumstance ( especially given the current climate ) get the heave ho just beause they can't afford to make a payment in a 10 minute window at midnight and some person who see's it as the lattest fad get's there slot?? not fair imho.

other championships have given existing drivers first refusal on spots and show loyalty to those who have stuck with them. much fairer way to do it in my lowly opionion. there will always be slots for up and coming people that way as those who move on to other championships or out of the sport create spaces for newer drivers
Hello Kieran

Firstly, the BDC is a completey different organisation from Drift UK.

If we were to give loyalty points to drivers then we would have given them to drivers that competed in a full season of the BDC in 2008.

We are not 'other championships' and will stand by our decisions to take payment on a first serve basis.

No one has been given the 'heave ho' due to the fact they did not make payment.

As stated before an email was sent on the 28th January and then a reminder email nearer the time to all drivers with full payment details, plenty of time for the 95% of drivers to organise payment.

We have increased the number of driver slots for 2009 to allow 'newer drivers' into the championship.

Paul

Licensing has become harder and harder in the build up to the championship, there are only a limited number of drivers over and above the number of places available.

Can we now keep this thread on topic and allow BDC drivers to continue to add there names.

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your micheal jackson analogy holds no weight as o2 customers , being loyal to their provider, were offered first refusal before the general public
Funny that because my mobile provider is o2 and I have priority on o2 Arena event tickets but I still didn't get Michael Jackson tickets. I know very well the strength of my analogy from first hand experience otherwise I wouldn't have used it.

Anyway, like you, I am not a BDC driver so I'll leave the BDC drivers to bring this thread back onto the topic of Driver Lists.
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just to add to the fairness thing......

i have competed from late 2005 - to the end of 2007 in the now bdc, in 2008 i was a judge for the event so was quite close to the team/organisation.

i called sweeps a few days before the payment date to ask if i could pay for half the season now and the rest at the first round, i was told that the first come first served basis still stands so would loose out if i didn't pay up front and to be honest i can't blame them. the demand for the championship is very high and as clarky says someone always loses out. thats life,

i had to borrow money to enable me to compete, something i didn't wanna do but needs must.

i would imagine a few cars will pull out as the season progresses so stay on the reserve list and you'll get your shot
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Pete i think everyone understands the monetry reasoning behind the 1st come 1st served, though i cant see how it would have caused a problem to offer those who drove (or were involved) in BDC first refusal of even a couple of days?
Just dissapointing is all, esspecially from an organisation which prides itself on its welcoming atmosphere.

As was inferred, i did not do the last 2 rounds last year, because i was made redundant in may, so by the end of june there were no more funds, so it was not a choice not to do the other rounds, as i stated at the time, wasnt like i did only 1 round cos it was on my doorstep....

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Though i was under the impression that those who moved to EDC(or any other championship) after doing a round of BDC could not come back.... meaning there would be a good few places freed up after round 1.

If this is not the case, can we have that stated please, as theres no point me (and others) waiting in the wings thinking ill get into round 2, when in fact i may not get in at all, cos tbh i wanna drift this year and if the crossing between championships is now allowed im as well to do another championship instead.
still looking to get this answered as it affects the reserve list on this thread
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The people posting in here complaining about not being on the list need to do some growing up. The rules were set out very early on in the game by BDC in terms of securing a place, you either paid up for the season or you didn't. If you didn't pay up you took a big risk in missing out on a place in one or more of the rounds. We all knew how popular this year was going to be - you only have to do the maths with the number of new license holders.

The way I see it - if you don't like it, lump it. BDC is the best championship out there for drivers, seat time and a great sense of community. Those complaining because they didn't take the opportunity they were given are only bringing in negativity which isn't needed before the season start.

PS - Sez sorry you didn't get Jackson tickets. We did
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Hello Kev

At the end of the 2008 season the BDC were still a feeder series for the EDC and following the rule that a driver with a top 8 finish in EDC could give up his licence to compete in EDC following a wildcard entry.

At the start of the 2009 season EDC stated they will take any Pro drivers with the result that BDC is now no longer a feeder series. There was some confusion on the licensing issue which we had no difinitive answer to at the time. The question of whether a driver can hold both licenses was, however, recently answered by the EDC driver search and licensing day at which BDC licensed drivers obtained an EDC licence. There is no longer a link between the two championships and both are now happy for drivers to have the freedom of choice where they drive.

When approached by drivers wanting to compete in both championships the BDC have stated that we would rather they committed themselves to a full BDC season to make it fair to those drivers just competing in BDC to win the BDC championship. As a result most drivers intending to compete in both championships have paid for a full BDC season. Any drivers paying a round at a time who miss a round of BDC (whether or not they drive in another championship in between) will be placed at the bottom of the reserve list when they return to BDC like everyone else.

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At the end of the 2008 season the BDC were still a feeder series for the EDC and following the rule that a driver with a top 8 finish in EDC could give up his licence to compete in EDC following a wildcard entry.

At the start of the 2009 season EDC stated they will take any Pro drivers with the result that BDC is now no longer a feeder series. There was some confusion on the licensing issue which we had no difinitive answer to at the time. The question of whether a driver can hold both licenses was, however, recently answered by the EDC driver search and licensing day at which BDC licensed drivers obtained an EDC licence. There is no longer a link between the two championships and both are now happy for drivers to have the freedom of choice where they drive.

When approached by drivers wanting to compete in both championships the BDC have stated that we would rather they committed themselves to a full BDC season to make it fair to those drivers just competing in BDC to win the BDC championship. As a result most drivers intending to compete in both championships have paid for a full BDC season. Any drivers paying a round at a time who miss a round of BDC (whether or not they drive in another championship in between) will be placed at the bottom of the reserve list when they return to BDC like everyone else.

We trust that adequately answers your query.

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Fair IMO

Can i be added to the reserve list now please as i have to miss round two due to work
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Like Jord said...

People who didn't like the 'First come first served' rule should have spoken up 2 months ago.

What is the point complaining now, when you knew this would be the case for the last 2 months?
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There is no longer a link between the two championships and both are now happy for drivers to have the freedom of choice where they drive.
This is great news!! Now we can have an EDC driver win the BDC and the EDC
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The question of whether a driver can hold both licenses was, however, recently answered by the EDC driver search and licensing day at which BDC licensed drivers obtained an EDC licence. There is no longer a link between the two championships and both are now happy for drivers to have the freedom of choice where they drive.
I was told by EDC that it wouldn't be a problem 'with EDC' if I entered a round of their championship while doing the full season with BDC.

The jury is still out on whether I can afford to dip my toe in but I think it's right you made the decision that it's the drivers choice.
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question answered thank you, please remove my name from the reserve list
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question answered thank you, please remove my name from the reserve list
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Your name has been removed.

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