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Sweeps · 23-12-2006, 22:29

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Originally Posted by Black Betty

haha, fricking hell, did someone dunk the bottom half of the car in salt water before they let it stand!

I know, its not pretty....

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Bare shell time

Shot blast the whole shell, shot blast and powder coat all mechanicals that your gonna keep on the car!

Thats the plan

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I predict £10k and 2 years! See you later dude! lol

mmm, depends how long it takes to get the house sorted...

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BTW, those shockers are a std uprated replacement, which is all you would of needed for road rally's etc! And yes, 4.3 is a std 86 diff ratio

Thank you

Black Betty · 23-12-2006, 22:34

Great! So long as your not put off by it, then all is sweet!

Be nice to see it when it really starts getting ripped apart and sorted. Dont loose enthusiasm dude

Sweeps · 23-12-2006, 22:41

I've done it before with KP61's from the shell up, plus dropping a Mass x-flow into an AE82 and making that rear wheel drive so i'm looking forward to the challenge

Sweeps · 23-12-2006, 22:51

Only thing is i don't know what to do ref the engine, i know the later blocks were stronger and the AE92 version is ideal (i sold two to a guy on here not so long back) GRRRR!! (If your reading this send me a pm please, i'll buy one back).

Back to the point, how far do i push it with the original block?

kroozin86 · 24-12-2006, 22:34

haha nice one sweeps cant wait to see this at teesside

**Paz** · 24-12-2006, 22:40

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Originally Posted by Sweeps

Back to the point, how far do i push it with the original block?

What are the motor plans? Its only excess RPM's that kill them, along with no oil cooler and age. Id just fit a big oil cooler, rag the arse out of the stock motor till it gives up the ghost and on the the side build a motor to replace it with. The later AE92 big ports had the same blocks as the AE92 small ports (extra oil squirters/stronger crank) so its easiest to get one of those as your intake mani will fit...

Sweeps · 25-12-2006, 18:59

Well the plan is to make it reliable (ish). I was going to balance the bottom end including flywheel and clutch assembley, match the rods/pistons, baffle the sump, give her a refresh bearing wise and stick it back together to get me going. Probably drop a cam in it but nothing silly just yet.
Then as you say start putting another lump together. Hopefully from a AE92.
If anyone has a 92 lump lying around then please pm me

Sweeps · 29-12-2006, 14:13

Nothing special to report but i've made a start taking the front end apart.

Trying my best not to snap the bolts as i take them out of the shell but you know how it is

Some of them just won't have it....

Black Betty · 29-12-2006, 15:12

Well its all gotta start somewhere

And as im sure you know, yo gotta go back before you go forward!

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Originally Posted by Sweeps

I've done it before with KP61's from the shell up, plus dropping a Mass x-flow into an AE82 and making that rear wheel drive so i'm looking forward to the challenge

Seriously?? Id love to hear more about that mate! Are you actually talking about a Ford Crossflow, into a Toyota Corolla AE82, and then converting it to RWD?
Thats gotta be the wackiest thing ive heard in years!

haha

Sweeps · 29-12-2006, 16:25

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Originally Posted by Black Betty

Well its all gotta start somewhere

And as im sure you know, yo gotta go back before you go forward!

Seriously?? Id love to hear more about that mate! Are you actually talking about a Ford Crossflow, into a Toyota Corolla AE82, and then converting it to RWD?
Thats gotta be the wackiest thing ive heard in years!

haha

Yeah, 1700 x-flow, billet crank, cossy pistons, etc etc, had it running 210bhp to start with but it didn't have the torque it needed for getting out of the corners (i used it for grass track racing) so we put a lower lift cam in it to stop having to rev it over 8.5k. Problem was i was racing against 2.4 pinto,s so i was banging my head against a wall really.

As for the conversion, the 82 was my road car for a while but before long the gearbox started playing up, jumped out of 3rd and 5th, i had a piece of wood to hold it in 5th when i did any distance

The rest of the car wasn't to bad so i built up a pair of front chassis legs to take a world cup cross member. Used a length of 4 inch dia pipe work in the nearside bulkhead through the original chassis to keep some strength in the shell. This was needed for the manifold to go through, it was at that point where the collector ended up. (The exhaust ran through the car). The tunnel and diff covers were straight forward. The rear suspension i copied from the hotrod boys, rather than the five link system i used four links. The bottom bars were the same as the corolla are, the top arms went from either side of the diff and went diagonally to brackets inside the car directly above the lower mounts.

I've got a few pictures at my mothers somewhere but only out on the track..

It worked ok but the engine was to far forward, we weren't allowed to alter to bulkhead to move it further back...

BenR · 29-12-2006, 17:08

i'm sorry, but i've never seen a 1700 crossflow run 210bhp......i've never seen a 1760 run 200!

Sweeps · 29-12-2006, 17:38

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Originally Posted by BenR

i'm sorry, but i've never seen a 1700 crossflow run 210bhp......i've never seen a 1760 run 200!

Well ours did, it was running on twin 48's with 38mm chokes to get the air flow up. The carbs were set up by a guy called Jim Manderfield who has sadly passed away. Mass stage three head, roller rockers, lucas ignition, dry sumped. The engine was built by a guy called Jim Evans from near Malton N.Yorks, he built x-flows for formula fords in the past.

When i visit my mothers in the new year i'll dig out the dyno sheet for it

flatout · 29-12-2006, 21:12

cool car lad,maybe we will see it on one of our drift days in the new year,

Black Betty · 29-12-2006, 23:28

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Originally Posted by Sweeps

Yeah, 1700 x-flow, billet crank, cossy pistons, etc etc, had it running 210bhp to start with but it didn't have the torque it needed for getting out of the corners (i used it for grass track racing) so we put a lower lift cam in it to stop having to rev it over 8.5k. Problem was i was racing against 2.4 pinto,s so i was banging my head against a wall really.

As for the conversion, the 82 was my road car for a while but before long the gearbox started playing up, jumped out of 3rd and 5th, i had a piece of wood to hold it in 5th when i did any distance

The rest of the car wasn't to bad so i built up a pair of front chassis legs to take a world cup cross member. Used a length of 4 inch dia pipe work in the nearside bulkhead through the original chassis to keep some strength in the shell. This was needed for the manifold to go through, it was at that point where the collector ended up. (The exhaust ran through the car). The tunnel and diff covers were straight forward. The rear suspension i copied from the hotrod boys, rather than the five link system i used four links. The bottom bars were the same as the corolla are, the top arms went from either side of the diff and went diagonally to brackets inside the car directly above the lower mounts.

I've got a few pictures at my mothers somewhere but only out on the track..

It worked ok but the engine was to far forward, we weren't allowed to alter to bulkhead to move it further back...

hahahahaha, thats fricking awesome! That is one different grass track car indeed!

Fair play!
I bet the bastard was undrivable with that full race x/flow! Be interested to see the pics of it in action, just for the crack fella!

BenR: My mate has a 1760 x/flow mk1 fiesta, and thats running 196bhp! And its not full race

as it would be useless at hillclimbs

Sweeps · 30-12-2006, 19:45

Couple of pics.

Wiring removed from engine ready for removal, just got to drop the prop, gearbox mount and up up and away!

Under the front wing..

Bit of rot, but nothing dramatic..

Emil · 30-12-2006, 20:03

the colour is very similar to the colour on our AE86 shell,maybe brother Will got it from this guy,never know?

anyway,car looks mint mate,wish i could find something like this somewhere

BenR · 30-12-2006, 20:45

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Originally Posted by Sweeps

Well ours did, it was running on twin 48's with 38mm chokes to get the air flow up. The carbs were set up by a guy called Jim Manderfield who has sadly passed away. Mass stage three head, roller rockers, lucas ignition, dry sumped. The engine was built by a guy called Jim Evans from near Malton N.Yorks, he built x-flows for formula fords in the past.

When i visit my mothers in the new year i'll dig out the dyno sheet for it

I've heard alot of boys saying they run 200bhp all singing all dancing, but i've yet to see an honest 200, they'll get very close, but i've not seen anybody pop over 200.......thats just personal, i've seen lots of claims and graphs.

Its just from my experience.

I'll ask Alan sherwood what the most he's seen from a crossflow, since i now do heads for MASS racing.

Not argueing, just saying from what i've seen, dont want to get into a big huff......there just isnt enough valve area on a crossflow.

Sweeps · 30-12-2006, 21:25

Thats cool Ben, I'll find out the full spec list when i get back up norf, i know my old man took an age to get it so far up, we played and play with the chokes i may be slightly out with the 38mm because i remember Jim had them made for us so might have been an odd ball size. Like you say due to the valve size Jim just get going on and on about getting the air flow up to compensate. We also spent an awful lot of time on an old airfield using different emulsifying tubes and main jets to get it cock on before we went to the rollers for fine tuning. We had the car on the rollers at Kershaws (Alfa specialist) at Gate Helmsly near York, Pete the operator was scared stiff to rev it as high as we asked him. He was gob smacked when it went over the 200 mark.

Alan Sherwood ? That name rings a bell... Isn't that Mr MASS as it were?

We got the engine from a guy called Bert Taylor who was from Alconbury area.

BenR · 30-12-2006, 22:53

what did you spin it to, 9.5-10?

Alan Sherwood is the 'AS' In mass, and he doesnt run it anymore, but he still builds his own personal jobs from a bench he uses at the new place. He sold it, moved to zytek, then quit that and now does engines in his own time....saying that he pumps out a serious number of BDG's...maybe 2-3 a week!

Its now run by chris conoley, john wright and stuart delfy.

its a fun place to be, some funky motors pass through the dyno cells as they hire them out to anybody.

Sweeps · 30-12-2006, 23:20

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Originally Posted by BenR

what did you spin it to, 9.5-10?

its a fun place to be, some funky motors pass through the dyno cells as they hire them out to anybody.

Yeah, up to the 9.5 mark...

Your making me drool drool ...

I'll pm you in a bit about my bottom end

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23-12-2006, 22:34	#42 (permalink)
Black Betty Bamalam Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Gloucestershire Posts: 3,404	Great! So long as your not put off by it, then all is sweet! Be nice to see it when it really starts getting ripped apart and sorted. Dont loose enthusiasm dude

23-12-2006, 22:41	#43 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	I've done it before with KP61's from the shell up, plus dropping a Mass x-flow into an AE82 and making that rear wheel drive so i'm looking forward to the challenge

23-12-2006, 22:51	#44 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	Only thing is i don't know what to do ref the engine, i know the later blocks were stronger and the AE92 version is ideal (i sold two to a guy on here not so long back) GRRRR!! (If your reading this send me a pm please, i'll buy one back). Back to the point, how far do i push it with the original block?

24-12-2006, 22:34	#45 (permalink)
kroozin86 spl dori master Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Teesside-Billingham Posts: 465	haha nice one sweeps cant wait to see this at teesside

25-12-2006, 18:59	#47 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	Well the plan is to make it reliable (ish). I was going to balance the bottom end including flywheel and clutch assembley, match the rods/pistons, baffle the sump, give her a refresh bearing wise and stick it back together to get me going. Probably drop a cam in it but nothing silly just yet. Then as you say start putting another lump together. Hopefully from a AE92. If anyone has a 92 lump lying around then please pm me

29-12-2006, 14:13	#48 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	Nothing special to report but i've made a start taking the front end apart. Trying my best not to snap the bolts as i take them out of the shell but you know how it is Some of them just won't have it....

29-12-2006, 17:08	#51 (permalink)
BenR dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 972	i'm sorry, but i've never seen a 1700 crossflow run 210bhp......i've never seen a 1760 run 200!

29-12-2006, 21:12	#53 (permalink)
flatout touge runner Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 193	cool car lad,maybe we will see it on one of our drift days in the new year,

30-12-2006, 19:45	#55 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	Couple of pics. Wiring removed from engine ready for removal, just got to drop the prop, gearbox mount and up up and away! Under the front wing.. Bit of rot, but nothing dramatic..

30-12-2006, 20:03	#56 (permalink)
Emil dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Birmingham Posts: 974	the colour is very similar to the colour on our AE86 shell,maybe brother Will got it from this guy,never know? anyway,car looks mint mate,wish i could find something like this somewhere

30-12-2006, 21:25	#58 (permalink)
Sweeps dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Sutterton Posts: 1,146	Thats cool Ben, I'll find out the full spec list when i get back up norf, i know my old man took an age to get it so far up, we played and play with the chokes i may be slightly out with the 38mm because i remember Jim had them made for us so might have been an odd ball size. Like you say due to the valve size Jim just get going on and on about getting the air flow up to compensate. We also spent an awful lot of time on an old airfield using different emulsifying tubes and main jets to get it cock on before we went to the rollers for fine tuning. We had the car on the rollers at Kershaws (Alfa specialist) at Gate Helmsly near York, Pete the operator was scared stiff to rev it as high as we asked him. He was gob smacked when it went over the 200 mark. Alan Sherwood ? That name rings a bell... Isn't that Mr MASS as it were? We got the engine from a guy called Bert Taylor who was from Alconbury area.

30-12-2006, 22:53	#59 (permalink)
BenR dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 972	what did you spin it to, 9.5-10? Alan Sherwood is the 'AS' In mass, and he doesnt run it anymore, but he still builds his own personal jobs from a bench he uses at the new place. He sold it, moved to zytek, then quit that and now does engines in his own time....saying that he pumps out a serious number of BDG's...maybe 2-3 a week! Its now run by chris conoley, john wright and stuart delfy. its a fun place to be, some funky motors pass through the dyno cells as they hire them out to anybody.