Water powered drift 340 Revelution - Page 2 - Drifting forum

Minishonk · 18-03-2008, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Why re-invent the wheel?
Your going round a track heating up and burning carcenagenic rubber compounds and your worried about exhaust gas?

what a stupid thing to say..

maybe the guy wants to have fun while thinking about the life of your kids kids not everyone in this world thinks about themselfs, think you should remember that

initial_j · 18-03-2008, 10:34

sounds awesome mate, if you can get it to work.

im sure someone once mentioned they knew someone who spent a long time working on something similar and got arrested for it! lol, probably an internet myth though! but obviously if you ever could invent a car that runs on water, im sure youd upset a lot of people!

would be awesome, you could actually piss in your tank if you ever run out!

LiGhTnInG · 18-03-2008, 10:51

Very, Very good idea if it works.

The theory is sound. I'd like to see more of your equipment and the cells etc.

Is it literally just squirting hydrogen into the carb? Would you need to mix it with air to calm the hydrogen molecules down? I can see neat hydrogen being a bit volatile.

More pictures/info please.

Add me to MSN, I'd love to chat more about this.

cindral · 18-03-2008, 16:15

Internet myth has it that shell developed a water powered engine then destroyed the blueprints!

Captain Muppet · 18-03-2008, 16:54

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Originally Posted by cindral

Internet myth has it that shell developed a water powered engine then destroyed the blueprints!

We'd still need oil for lubrication, and oil for plastics.

Conspiracy theorists make me want to turn on my memory eraser and blitz their brains via their mobile phones, which, like, you can track and everything. It's why people on phones in supermarkets always act like braying brainless cretins.

pyroteknikon · 18-03-2008, 16:56

I thought it used more energy (electricity) to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen than the hydrogen and oxygen could then produce? Energy can only change state. It can't magically increase.

Mr Bizzle · 18-03-2008, 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minishonk

what a stupid thing to say..

maybe the guy wants to have fun while thinking about the life of your kids kids not everyone in this world thinks about themselfs, think you should remember that

Why exactly should i remember that then Minishonk?

Why would you worry about the emmissions of a frickin 1.7ltr volvo drift car, when you spend the majority of your time BURNING rubber?

Does nobody else find this a little bit stupid?

If you want to try and run a volvo of water, that's just fine. Go ahead. Nice idea, but i think that trying to make a drift car "green" just to go out and produce smoke that is massivly more harmfull to the environment than volvo engine exhaust gas is, could be slightly mis-guided.

Rossi · 18-03-2008, 17:38

Doesnt matter if its a Volvo or a Ferrari is still an internal combustion engine so if there is new technology that works and keeps the government happy then why not experiment.

Beezy · 18-03-2008, 17:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Why exactly should i remember that then Minishonk?

Why would you worry about the emmissions of a frickin 1.7ltr volvo drift car, when you spend the majority of your time BURNING rubber?

Does nobody else find this a little bit stupid?

If you want to try and run a volvo of water, that's just fine. Go ahead. Nice idea, but i think that trying to make a drift car "green" just to go out and produce smoke that is massivly more harmfull to the environment than volvo engine exhaust gas is, could be slightly mis-guided.

Sorry man, so you wouldnt have a water run car, as a daly driver!
@ 1.05 per Lr, if ya lucky, no thanks.......U must earn shet loads dude!
I know i would!

griffo20022 · 18-03-2008, 17:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Why exactly should i remember that then Minishonk?

Why would you worry about the emmissions of a frickin 1.7ltr volvo drift car, when you spend the majority of your time BURNING rubber?

Does nobody else find this a little bit stupid?

If you want to try and run a volvo of water, that's just fine. Go ahead. Nice idea, but i think that trying to make a drift car "green" just to go out and produce smoke that is massivly more harmfull to the environment than volvo engine exhaust gas is, could be slightly mis-guided.

Maybe, but if your doing it to make life cheaper than i'd back anybody up on that one lol!

All the best with it dude!

Jord · 18-03-2008, 18:01

This method can and does work. Honda have been trialling fuel cell cars in California for just over a year now. Only problem is there are very few places to fill up and the tank lasts for 270 miles. So you can't travel further than 135 miles from the fuelling station. If you find a way to be self sufficient for hydrogen then your laughing!

Adey1984 · 18-03-2008, 18:18

that vid looks to me if the car was just running on the fuel that was in the float chamber?

Anton333 · 18-03-2008, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Why re-invent the wheel?
Your going round a track heating up and burning carcenagenic rubber compounds and your worried about exhaust gas?

To be honest I couldn't give a rats arse about pollution but the fact that water is free and oil is not

mazdachris · 18-03-2008, 18:52

Mazda have had hydrogen powered rotary engines based on the Renesis running for years now. You can lease them out, but there aren't many of them. They orginally did it with the RX-8 but I think you can now get them in the Mazda 3. Anyway, yeah, if you can find a way of generating enough hydrogen then you're laughing. Only problem is creating it in the first place. The hydrogen powered rotaries have a proper pressurised tank that you refill, because it's almost impossible to generate hydrogen at the rate your car would consume it.

There are also some other techical issues to be address. Lubrication is an issue, and so is heat. I believe they had to relocate the injectors because the heat caused the O-rings to fail. You'd probably need to use water injection as well.

I've got a weird feeling I've seen a few other things about this though. You can use the heat generated by the engine for other things. I've got a sketchy recollection that people were using heated wire wool in the water tank to speed up the process of hydrogen generation. it might be pie in the sky stuff, but IIRC they had a blanket of wire wool in the bottom of the water which was heated by the exhaust somehow, which helped speed up the reaction.

But really the issue is in creating enough current to create enough hydrogen. You'd be better off trying to create a system you can have in your house powered by the mains, generating hydrogen that you can then put into a pressurised container and then put into the car. Rather than generate it on the fly.

Minishonk · 18-03-2008, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Why exactly should i remember that then Minishonk?

Why would you worry about the emmissions of a frickin 1.7ltr volvo drift car, when you spend the majority of your time BURNING rubber?

Does nobody else find this a little bit stupid?

If you want to try and run a volvo of water, that's just fine. Go ahead. Nice idea, but i think that trying to make a drift car "green" just to go out and produce smoke that is massivly more harmfull to the environment than volvo engine exhaust gas is, could be slightly mis-guided.

thats like saying why do we bother to recycle why dont we just burn all of it? point is even if he does go round burning rubber hes making 1/2 the pollution of the rest of the cars on the track are, so say you have 50 competitors all of them making 1/2 the pollution they usually would tanking it round a track all day it would make a big difference especially if it formed into all types of motorsport an if someone makes it work properly theres no reason why it shouldnt...

if we can clone someone and blow up the world on a touch of a button im sure we can find a substitute for fuel.

what im trying to get at is this guys trying to do the so called impossible so we dont all have to get raped by the goverment which also would lead to our future family having a better life and you dont seem to give a shit.

Anton333 · 18-03-2008, 19:09

Think of how big the drifting scene would get if it was the first motorsport to do this.
I also think in success of a properly running water powered drifter we would no longer be seen as carpark joyriders.

Not to mention the revolution worldwide it would start.

mazdachris · 18-03-2008, 19:10

Have you actually done the maths to work out if it's possible?

Anton333 · 18-03-2008, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by mazdachris

Have you actually done the maths to work out if it's possible?

I was never good with sums,lol
But I'll try and try again

Anton333 · 18-03-2008, 19:18

I've just acquired a 500sqft garage in a secret location to continue this project and many others in the nature of drifting and alternative energy so it can only get bigger from here.

mazdachris · 18-03-2008, 19:20

I just think the main problem you're going to have is that it's not going to be possible to generate enough hydrogen to power the car as it's going along.

The rate of electrolysis is determined by the current being passed through it. You need to be able to generate massive current in order to ever have a hope of generating enough hydrogen. You're not going to be able to do that off the vehicle's alternator. Plus you have to bear in mind that, at best, you're setup is going to be maybe 50-60% efficient.

I'm not saying the project is without merit. I just think you're treading a patch which is already well worn. If you want to know if it's possible to run a conventional petrol engine on hydrogen then the answer is yes, absolutely. With a few modifications. Plenty of car manufacturers already have these on the market at least for leasing. But these cars all have a fuel tank filled with liquid hydrogen which is generated through other means.

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18-03-2008, 10:34	#22 (permalink)
initial_j has issues.. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canterbury yo! Posts: 4,399	sounds awesome mate, if you can get it to work. im sure someone once mentioned they knew someone who spent a long time working on something similar and got arrested for it! lol, probably an internet myth though! but obviously if you ever could invent a car that runs on water, im sure youd upset a lot of people! would be awesome, you could actually piss in your tank if you ever run out!

18-03-2008, 10:51	#23 (permalink)
LiGhTnInG Doricomotion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: BANNED :p :p Posts: 7,692	Very, Very good idea if it works. The theory is sound. I'd like to see more of your equipment and the cells etc. Is it literally just squirting hydrogen into the carb? Would you need to mix it with air to calm the hydrogen molecules down? I can see neat hydrogen being a bit volatile. More pictures/info please. Add me to MSN, I'd love to chat more about this.

18-03-2008, 16:15	#24 (permalink)
cindral doughnutter Join Date: May 2007 Location: macclesfield/manchester Posts: 51	Internet myth has it that shell developed a water powered engine then destroyed the blueprints!

18-03-2008, 16:56	#26 (permalink)
pyroteknikon All the way in Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: West Yorks Posts: 381	I thought it used more energy (electricity) to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen than the hydrogen and oxygen could then produce? Energy can only change state. It can't magically increase.

18-03-2008, 17:38	#28 (permalink)
Rossi N/A fo life yo Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Salisbury Posts: 272	Doesnt matter if its a Volvo or a Ferrari is still an internal combustion engine so if there is new technology that works and keeps the government happy then why not experiment.

18-03-2008, 18:01	#31 (permalink)
Jord GRD Drift Club Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peterborough Posts: 7,766	This method can and does work. Honda have been trialling fuel cell cars in California for just over a year now. Only problem is there are very few places to fill up and the tank lasts for 270 miles. So you can't travel further than 135 miles from the fuelling station. If you find a way to be self sufficient for hydrogen then your laughing!

18-03-2008, 18:18	#32 (permalink)
Adey1984 spl dori master Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Gloucester Posts: 262	that vid looks to me if the car was just running on the fuel that was in the float chamber?

18-03-2008, 18:52	#34 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,014	Mazda have had hydrogen powered rotary engines based on the Renesis running for years now. You can lease them out, but there aren't many of them. They orginally did it with the RX-8 but I think you can now get them in the Mazda 3. Anyway, yeah, if you can find a way of generating enough hydrogen then you're laughing. Only problem is creating it in the first place. The hydrogen powered rotaries have a proper pressurised tank that you refill, because it's almost impossible to generate hydrogen at the rate your car would consume it. There are also some other techical issues to be address. Lubrication is an issue, and so is heat. I believe they had to relocate the injectors because the heat caused the O-rings to fail. You'd probably need to use water injection as well. I've got a weird feeling I've seen a few other things about this though. You can use the heat generated by the engine for other things. I've got a sketchy recollection that people were using heated wire wool in the water tank to speed up the process of hydrogen generation. it might be pie in the sky stuff, but IIRC they had a blanket of wire wool in the bottom of the water which was heated by the exhaust somehow, which helped speed up the reaction. But really the issue is in creating enough current to create enough hydrogen. You'd be better off trying to create a system you can have in your house powered by the mains, generating hydrogen that you can then put into a pressurised container and then put into the car. Rather than generate it on the fly.

18-03-2008, 19:09	#36 (permalink)
Anton333 tail slider Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oxford Posts: 77	Think of how big the drifting scene would get if it was the first motorsport to do this. I also think in success of a properly running water powered drifter we would no longer be seen as carpark joyriders. Not to mention the revolution worldwide it would start.

18-03-2008, 19:10	#37 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,014	Have you actually done the maths to work out if it's possible?

18-03-2008, 19:18	#39 (permalink)
Anton333 tail slider Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oxford Posts: 77	I've just acquired a 500sqft garage in a secret location to continue this project and many others in the nature of drifting and alternative energy so it can only get bigger from here.

18-03-2008, 19:20	#40 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,014	I just think the main problem you're going to have is that it's not going to be possible to generate enough hydrogen to power the car as it's going along. The rate of electrolysis is determined by the current being passed through it. You need to be able to generate massive current in order to ever have a hope of generating enough hydrogen. You're not going to be able to do that off the vehicle's alternator. Plus you have to bear in mind that, at best, you're setup is going to be maybe 50-60% efficient. I'm not saying the project is without merit. I just think you're treading a patch which is already well worn. If you want to know if it's possible to run a conventional petrol engine on hydrogen then the answer is yes, absolutely. With a few modifications. Plenty of car manufacturers already have these on the market at least for leasing. But these cars all have a fuel tank filled with liquid hydrogen which is generated through other means.