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Mr Bizzle · 18-03-2008, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Anton333

Well If you don't give a shit why post here?

Because im now intregued.
As i said, i really am all for new sustainable energy forms and if your some nutty mad scientist who knows something the other scientists don't. Then give me a bell and i will come and help you, even if that's just making tea. However at the moment - im not seeing that.

Mr Bizzle · 18-03-2008, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Anton333

I can see where this thread is going and if you want to vent your angers please do it else where. I will post no further until I have further advances with more detail, which I hope to have for you guys within the next month or so.........

Not venting anger.
Just asking questions in an objective fashion.
Please, tell me how your planning to do it? Im boggled.

initial_j · 18-03-2008, 21:52

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Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

But most people are stupid enough to believe that the western worlds sudden leap towards sustainable resources has something to do with "making the planet better" when actually it's about MONEY. Cold hard cash, nothing more than making the western world less dependant on the middle east for it's basic and fundimental inferstructure.

not getting into the argument about wether a hydro car will work or not, but this i do agree with 1000 percent. global warming is the BIGGEST FOOKING SCAM ever dreamed up by anyone, its an unproven theory, which can be easily explained as the world has gone through a cycle of extreme heat/ice age/extreme heat for millions of years.

its only recently the goverment have started to make a fuss about as theyve realised "hang on a minute, we can mug people off for billions of tax with this unproven theory" and every fooking bellend and their dog have jumped on the wagon, selling overpriced shite that is going to "save the enviorment" its all crap, were not all about to drown/melt, and if its 2 degrees warmer here in 50 years time who the frick cares?!

mazdachris · 18-03-2008, 21:55

Well whether you believe in global warming or not, there's something else which is far more potentially catastraughic which is actually inevitable and unavoidable which I think it would be far more porductive putting rescources towards - and that is planning for the affects of Peak Oil. Which is almost certainly a potential global disaster which will happen in our lifetimes.

WANDERS · 18-03-2008, 22:27

I THINK IT'S TRUE!! i have a car here in holland that runs on weed! it even go's around 25kmh!!

(just get some guys pushing the car for weed...)

Mr Bizzle · 18-03-2008, 22:33

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Originally Posted by WANDERS

I THINK IT'S TRUE!! i have a car here in holland that runs on weed! it even go's around 25kmh!!

(just get some guys pushing the car for weed...)

LOL

You have so much weed over there that it really does not suprise me.
Doesn't the hooker train run on weed?

WANDERS · 18-03-2008, 22:36

no, the hooker train actualy runs on pussy-juce

Mr Bizzle · 18-03-2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by WANDERS

no, the hooker train actualy runs on pussy-juce

And the extacy boat?

WANDERS · 18-03-2008, 22:41

they use the juce that comes out the rotten people that thought they were dolphins and jumped in the water... it's a lot of work getting the people out of the water all the time and let them rott... but yeah.. we don't need diesel for the xtc-boat anymore...

mazdachris · 18-03-2008, 22:48

have you been smoking crack?

WANDERS · 18-03-2008, 22:51

yep!

sorry back on topic.

Mr Bizzle · 19-03-2008, 08:41

Dont mind wanders, he's Dutch.

PhatBob · 19-03-2008, 10:20

Why is it always people with Volvos that seem to want to do these things?

mazdachris · 19-03-2008, 10:27

You sure that's not MJG's latest project? DIY turbo volvo..

PhatBob · 19-03-2008, 11:54

Thats a woodgas powered item, seems to work pretty well, if you dont mind carrying a trailer full of wood.

Chris, I read what you said about Peak Oil production, interesting how that is gaining strength these days. Have you seen anything about the Russian theory that Oil is actually a by-product of anerobic digestion of methane by micro-organisms?
It counters the idea that oil is a result of animal decomposition (how did so many pre-historic creatures end up forming oil bubbles in rock that was laid down millions of years before they existed?) and suggests that high pressure, high temperatures and a load of free hydrocarbons are all thats needed to fire off some microbial life - something considered impossible until recently when microbes were found deep inside the mid-atlantic smoke stacks.
Its not a widely published view and should only really be considered a factual as the likelyhood of self-fuelling hydrogen cars, but still raises some interesting points.

mazdachris · 19-03-2008, 13:31

I don't really know enough about that to be able to comment. I will say though that my understanding was that it's a bit of a misconception that oil is made from dinosaurs. Or at least it's a massive over-simplification. But actually it's basically organic matter broken down into basic hydrocarbons. Fertile soil, for instance, is full of microbial life and would eventually become oil given time, pressure, and a little heat.

But the fact is, if people who have a much much better understanding of it than I do can't agree on the process by which oil is created, I'm not really going to be able to give a definitive answer. All I know is that oil is a finite resource and before long it's going to become impractical for use on the scale we've been used to, and there will be consequences to that.

lozza · 19-03-2008, 14:03

Some people are just out to argue

Good luck with the project mate! Whether it makes a difference in the bigger picture, it'll definatly be a good experience and learning curve! Look forward to updates.

Mr Bizzle · 19-03-2008, 14:14

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Originally Posted by lozza

Some people are just out to argue

Good luck with the project mate! Whether it makes a difference in the bigger picture, it'll definatly be a good experience and learning curve! Look forward to updates.

Lozza,
Im not out to argue, im out to get the facts represented properly.

People saying "Hydrogen powered cars are cleaner than petrol powered cars and will help the environment" are just deluded which actually makes the whole purpose of this project null and void. The comments made by minishonk are a classic example of how people blindly believe that technology such as this is actually benifiting the planet, when it's actually making it worse.

The fact that the project starter, when questioned, was not able to answer a question as simple as which method of electrolysis he was going to use to produce the hyrogen, is a testiment to this fact.

PhatBob · 19-03-2008, 14:15

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Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

People saying "Hydrogen powered cars are cleaner than petrol powered cars and will help the environment" are just deluded which actually makes the whole purpose of this project null and void. The comments made by minishonk are a classic example of how people blindly believe that technology such as this is actually benifiting the planet, when it's actually making it worse.

Polution displacement.

Mr Bizzle · 19-03-2008, 14:17

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Originally Posted by PhatBob

Polution displacement.

Yar bobbo

Dat be what i said, innit bruv?

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18-03-2008, 21:55	#64 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	Well whether you believe in global warming or not, there's something else which is far more potentially catastraughic which is actually inevitable and unavoidable which I think it would be far more porductive putting rescources towards - and that is planning for the affects of Peak Oil. Which is almost certainly a potential global disaster which will happen in our lifetimes.

18-03-2008, 22:27	#65 (permalink)
WANDERS touge runner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ROTTERDAM Posts: 246	I THINK IT'S TRUE!! i have a car here in holland that runs on weed! it even go's around 25kmh!! (just get some guys pushing the car for weed...)

18-03-2008, 22:36	#67 (permalink)
WANDERS touge runner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ROTTERDAM Posts: 246	no, the hooker train actualy runs on pussy-juce

18-03-2008, 22:41	#69 (permalink)
WANDERS touge runner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ROTTERDAM Posts: 246	they use the juce that comes out the rotten people that thought they were dolphins and jumped in the water... it's a lot of work getting the people out of the water all the time and let them rott... but yeah.. we don't need diesel for the xtc-boat anymore...

18-03-2008, 22:48	#70 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	have you been smoking crack?

18-03-2008, 22:51	#71 (permalink)
WANDERS touge runner Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: ROTTERDAM Posts: 246	yep! sorry back on topic.

19-03-2008, 08:41	#72 (permalink)
Mr Bizzle Team DWYB Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Beaconsfield, Bucks Posts: 4,222	Dont mind wanders, he's Dutch.

19-03-2008, 10:20	#73 (permalink)
PhatBob PhinBob Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newmarket Posts: 1,738	Why is it always people with Volvos that seem to want to do these things?

19-03-2008, 10:27	#74 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	You sure that's not MJG's latest project? DIY turbo volvo..

19-03-2008, 11:54	#75 (permalink)
PhatBob PhinBob Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Newmarket Posts: 1,738	Thats a woodgas powered item, seems to work pretty well, if you dont mind carrying a trailer full of wood. Chris, I read what you said about Peak Oil production, interesting how that is gaining strength these days. Have you seen anything about the Russian theory that Oil is actually a by-product of anerobic digestion of methane by micro-organisms? It counters the idea that oil is a result of animal decomposition (how did so many pre-historic creatures end up forming oil bubbles in rock that was laid down millions of years before they existed?) and suggests that high pressure, high temperatures and a load of free hydrocarbons are all thats needed to fire off some microbial life - something considered impossible until recently when microbes were found deep inside the mid-atlantic smoke stacks. Its not a widely published view and should only really be considered a factual as the likelyhood of self-fuelling hydrogen cars, but still raises some interesting points.

19-03-2008, 13:31	#76 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	I don't really know enough about that to be able to comment. I will say though that my understanding was that it's a bit of a misconception that oil is made from dinosaurs. Or at least it's a massive over-simplification. But actually it's basically organic matter broken down into basic hydrocarbons. Fertile soil, for instance, is full of microbial life and would eventually become oil given time, pressure, and a little heat. But the fact is, if people who have a much much better understanding of it than I do can't agree on the process by which oil is created, I'm not really going to be able to give a definitive answer. All I know is that oil is a finite resource and before long it's going to become impractical for use on the scale we've been used to, and there will be consequences to that.

19-03-2008, 14:03	#77 (permalink)
lozza ChickFoot FTW Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Douglas, Isle of Man Posts: 5,110	Some people are just out to argue Good luck with the project mate! Whether it makes a difference in the bigger picture, it'll definatly be a good experience and learning curve! Look forward to updates.