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Anton333 · 20-03-2008, 01:04

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Originally Posted by Captain Muppet

We'd still need oil for lubrication, and oil for plastics.

Conspiracy theorists make me want to turn on my memory eraser and blitz their brains via their mobile phones, which, like, you can track and everything. It's why people on phones in supermarkets always act like braying brainless cretins.

Lol but then there would be another conspiracy about mobile phones too

Anton333 · 20-03-2008, 01:09

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Originally Posted by pyroteknikon

I thought it used more energy (electricity) to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen than the hydrogen and oxygen could then produce? Energy can only change state. It can't magically increase.

I,m not trying to create energy from nothing as that 's impossible. All I'm trying to do is create enough hho gas to run my car not power Didcot from a Evian bottle.

Anton333 · 20-03-2008, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Adey1984

that vid looks to me if the car was just running on the fuel that was in the float chamber?

I had ran the car for about 10 minutes on the cell with the petrol disconnected and when I reconnected it got running on petrol again I disconnected the fuel line and ran for about 3~4 minutes before it stopped.

Anton333 · 20-03-2008, 01:23

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Originally Posted by mazdachris

I just think the main problem you're going to have is that it's not going to be possible to generate enough hydrogen to power the car as it's going along.

The rate of electrolysis is determined by the current being passed through it. You need to be able to generate massive current in order to ever have a hope of generating enough hydrogen. You're not going to be able to do that off the vehicle's alternator. Plus you have to bear in mind that, at best, you're setup is going to be maybe 50-60% efficient.

I'm not saying the project is without merit. I just think you're treading a patch which is already well worn. If you want to know if it's possible to run a conventional petrol engine on hydrogen then the answer is yes, absolutely. With a few modifications. Plenty of car manufacturers already have these on the market at least for leasing. But these cars all have a fuel tank filled with liquid hydrogen which is generated through other means.

May be at the wright frequency we can create a better splitting affect using minimum amps. I'll let you know after easter as I am going on holidays tomorrow.
Having a pressurized tank of hydrogen in the car is one way which I will look at if I find myself at a point where I cant get the results I wish to get.

Anton333 · 20-03-2008, 01:27

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Originally Posted by mazdachris

Transubstantiation by the sound of it

You mean like the Book of Modern science, the bible or The Lord of the Ring piece?

LiGhTnInG · 20-03-2008, 03:49

Awesome. Bizzle and chris managed to seriously frick his thread up.

Just let him get on with it, he's not going to make any breakthroughs arguing with you two about the price of fuel

mazdachris · 20-03-2008, 10:18

sorry that was childish

Ok, I'll say that while you are choosing to ignore the basic principles of modern science, in my opinion you won't have any more hope of accomplishing this than I have of learning to fly by flapping my arms.

I've said my piece, that's the last I'll say on it.

LiGhTnInG · 20-03-2008, 10:22

Even if he furthers the theory only slightly, maybe just enough for another boffin to come along and make a breakthrough, then it's more than enough.

How many scientists were rubbished in their time for being wacko's and doing things everyone else sneered at?

So closed-minded. Even if the guy can't get it to work, I'll bet he has fun and learns LOADS along the way, then maybe he can join the ranks of the elite on here, and sneer at the next person to come along with an idea thats slightly not the norm.

Mr Bizzle · 20-03-2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by LiGhTnInG

Even if he furthers the theory only slightly, maybe just enough for another boffin to come along and make a breakthrough, then it's more than enough.

How many scientists were rubbished in their time for being wacko's and doing things everyone else sneered at?

So closed-minded. Even if the guy can't get it to work, I'll bet he has fun and learns LOADS along the way, then maybe he can join the ranks of the elite on here, and sneer at the next person to come along with an idea thats slightly not the norm.

Furthering the theory?
Lightning, have you been smoking the ya ya tree again dude?

The theory is proven, it's been researched, developed and implemented years ago. Hydrogen Cell powered cars are available already in a far more efficent design that our friend here is trying to undertake and have become cost effective.

This thread makes it sound like he is doing something ground breaking when he is actually doing the modern day equivillant of re-creating the toaster.

My issues are not argumentative, they are factual.
1) You can't produce hydrogen at the same rate that the car consumes it in an the space allowed.
2) The entery used (and the polution this energy generation causes) to produce this hydrogen will far outweigh the potential "green" effect.

So it fail's monumentally as a "green" project (as it was originally advertised)

However, as a "Cheap Petrol" proposition is does really have some potential.

Produce the hydrogen externally from your vehicle (in your house) and compress/store it in a tank and then use it to run the car.

If you want to be massivly "energy efficent" about it, buy up some solar cells, stick them to the top of your house and use this energy to power your eletrolysis system.

PhatBob · 20-03-2008, 11:06

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Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Produce the hydrogen externally from your vehicle (in your house) and compress/store it in a tank and then use it to run the car.

Compressed hydrogen in a tank...
I dont think you can get much more dangerous than that unless you start messing around with Uranium.

Mr Bizzle · 20-03-2008, 11:20

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Originally Posted by PhatBob

Compressed hydrogen in a tank...
I dont think you can get much more dangerous than that unless you start messing around with Uranium.

Really?
I guess on second thoughts your probably right... Compressed Hydrogen tanks

LOL

Great.... Air Bomb...

mazdachris · 20-03-2008, 11:24

Well she runs real good but I'm still ironing out a few teething problems in the storage tank...

Hydrogen/dual fuel cars use liquid hydrogen which is a little more stable and easier to store. Still has to be one serious tank though.

Captain Muppet · 20-03-2008, 11:29

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Originally Posted by PhatBob

Compressed hydrogen in a tank...
I dont think you can get much more dangerous than that unless you start messing around with Uranium.

I did a uni project on hydrogen as a replacement for petrol. The only good thing I could find to say about it's safety was that as it burns 200 times faster than petrol the explosion will be over quicker.

Plus compressing it a bit is a rubbish way of storing it - you have to get it liquid to get any sort of reasonable energy density. Huge energy required to make and store it and then if you leave it alone for a while it'll evapourate out of the tank (BMW hydrogen 7 empties it's tank in 9 days!)

MrNick · 20-03-2008, 11:30

anybody know about the 'dinosaur fart theory' ?

mazdachris · 20-03-2008, 11:32

To be fair, it's worth pointing out that what Anton is using is not pure hydrogen, it's a mix of hydrogen and oxygen.

(yes I know i said it was the last i was going to say on the subject but... I lied)

David Reid · 20-03-2008, 11:36

Mr Bizzle should be renamed Mr Grumpy, he only ever seems to come on these project threads to slate what people are doing.

Give the guy a break he is trying something different, so you dont agree/dont get the point. Leave the guy alone to try it, I think its a cool project and look forward to seeing the results good or bad.

LiGhTnInG · 20-03-2008, 12:13

Agreed. Even if he makes a system that supplements the vehicles fuel supply, he's still making it for free using the vehicles electricity supply while it is in motion. Can't knock that

tritalc · 20-03-2008, 12:27

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Originally Posted by MrNick

anybody know about the 'dinosaur fart theory' ?

Nope, but I bet it's almost as cool as reading this poor dude gettin slated, I (for what it's worth) would say the dudes doin really well. Even if he was just dickin about for a laugh he's doing really well.

Mr Bizzle · 20-03-2008, 12:36

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Originally Posted by David Reid

Mr Bizzle should be renamed Mr Grumpy, he only ever seems to come on these project threads to slate what people are doing.

Give the guy a break he is trying something different, so you dont agree/dont get the point. Leave the guy alone to try it, I think its a cool project and look forward to seeing the results good or bad.

It is constructive slating tho dave.

MrNick · 20-03-2008, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

It is constructive slating tho dave.

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20-03-2008, 03:49	#106 (permalink)
LiGhTnInG Doricomotion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DriftRacing.co.uk Posts: 8,634	Awesome. Bizzle and chris managed to seriously frick his thread up. Just let him get on with it, he's not going to make any breakthroughs arguing with you two about the price of fuel Last edited by LiGhTnInG : 20-03-2008 at 23:31.

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mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	sorry that was childish Ok, I'll say that while you are choosing to ignore the basic principles of modern science, in my opinion you won't have any more hope of accomplishing this than I have of learning to fly by flapping my arms. I've said my piece, that's the last I'll say on it. Last edited by mazdachris : 20-03-2008 at 10:23.

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20-03-2008, 10:22	#108 (permalink)
LiGhTnInG Doricomotion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DriftRacing.co.uk Posts: 8,634	Even if he furthers the theory only slightly, maybe just enough for another boffin to come along and make a breakthrough, then it's more than enough. How many scientists were rubbished in their time for being wacko's and doing things everyone else sneered at? So closed-minded. Even if the guy can't get it to work, I'll bet he has fun and learns LOADS along the way, then maybe he can join the ranks of the elite on here, and sneer at the next person to come along with an idea thats slightly not the norm.

20-03-2008, 11:24	#112 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	Well she runs real good but I'm still ironing out a few teething problems in the storage tank... Hydrogen/dual fuel cars use liquid hydrogen which is a little more stable and easier to store. Still has to be one serious tank though.

20-03-2008, 11:30	#114 (permalink)
MrNick dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: lydd drift track Posts: 3,730	anybody know about the 'dinosaur fart theory' ?

20-03-2008, 11:32	#115 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,190	To be fair, it's worth pointing out that what Anton is using is not pure hydrogen, it's a mix of hydrogen and oxygen. (yes I know i said it was the last i was going to say on the subject but... I lied)

20-03-2008, 11:36	#116 (permalink)
David Reid PPS EDC Team Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 240	Mr Bizzle should be renamed Mr Grumpy, he only ever seems to come on these project threads to slate what people are doing. Give the guy a break he is trying something different, so you dont agree/dont get the point. Leave the guy alone to try it, I think its a cool project and look forward to seeing the results good or bad.

20-03-2008, 12:13	#117 (permalink)
LiGhTnInG Doricomotion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DriftRacing.co.uk Posts: 8,634	Agreed. Even if he makes a system that supplements the vehicles fuel supply, he's still making it for free using the vehicles electricity supply while it is in motion. Can't knock that