The Panzer - Page 2 - Drifting forum

Sea Squirrel · 08-09-2008, 09:06

Right... despite all of the futt buckery that's gone on with this car it's still in my posession for the time being. Not really done anything to it as not sure if I'm keeping it. HOWEVER, hoping to replace the wheels anyway (with MR Will's if they're still available in a bit) and I need to get some drift wheels for this wednesdays Pod.

Does anyone know if the 15" wheels that were originally fitted to the e36 compact will clear M3 brakes?

20vWill · 08-09-2008, 12:21

15's will not fit the front, and most 15's rub the caliper on the rear.

Sea Squirrel · 08-09-2008, 23:42

Yep, discovered this today. In fact even BMW 16s won't fit the front. 17's or nothing.

Oh cock.

ren_juanjo · 09-09-2008, 00:38

some 17s wont fit the front either, they catch the outside edge of the brakes.

you need some m3 contours really

*hint*

as will says most 15s won't go on the back, i've had a couple of 16" alloys that don't fit on the back as well, although this is by no means the norm.

i'd honestly just stick with 17s. they allow you to fit good widths of tyres which the m3 will enjoy when you want to do some more faster skiddings. tyres are cheap to buy new, and easy to find free on tyre piles.

20vWill · 09-09-2008, 01:11

Renato is correct. 17's are the way. Tyres plentiful on piles and cheap from mytyres etc.
18's are OK too but a little big.

Sea Squirrel · 09-09-2008, 11:20

Cheers guys. You're right. It's just trying to find some shitty 17's locally for little money in order to get to Pod that's causing me hassle at the moment. Or even shitty no-grip worn 19's for the wank that's on there now.

I'm tempted to youc Contours ren, to be honest if I can't find anything today I'll probably get them from you as a drift wheel. Still want Will's BBS's as an everyday wheel once I know if I'm keeping the car or not.

Sea Squirrel · 09-09-2008, 14:51

Will, you aren't going to DWYB tomorrow by any chance? I'm desperate to get along to one at the moment but need to get wheels sorted. Ironically getting yours would allow me to use the 19's as drift wheels until sold/replaced.

skylineslider · 09-09-2008, 15:00

i used the basic fk coilovers on my 3 series and it transformed the car,i was impressed with the damping considering they were only 400

Sea Squirrel · 09-09-2008, 15:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by skylineslider

i used the basic fk coilovers on my 3 series and it transformed the car,i was impressed with the damping considering they were only 400

Cheers dude, that's good to know. Need to look into them.

20vWill · 09-09-2008, 17:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Squirrel

Will, you aren't going to DWYB tomorrow by any chance? I'm desperate to get along to one at the moment but need to get wheels sorted. Ironically getting yours would allow me to use the 19's as drift wheels until sold/replaced.

Sorry mate, I am not unfortunately, lack of funds. But I can be around early/late if you want to pick them up tomorrow/tonight.

Sea Squirrel · 09-09-2008, 18:32

May take you up on that dude. Do you have the tyres to hand for them? Not necessarily fitted as I can obviously get that done.

Would pick up the camber arms at the same time.

Where abouts are you dude?

20vWill · 09-09-2008, 18:44

You have PM.

griffo20022 · 09-09-2008, 19:05

If you buy Rens Contours use those are your daily wheels man and refurb em Contours FTW :P

You thought anymore wether your going to keep it yet or not?

ren_juanjo · 09-09-2008, 21:28

buy mine and wills wheels, ebay the 19s for chrome fanboy cashmoneyss, everyones a winner

Sea Squirrel · 11-09-2008, 00:29

Right... to all of the above in one I guess. I've bought Will's wheels. It was an epic mission today that I'll go into some other time, and in some other place, but the out come is that the fronts are fine but the rear tyres are already popped due to arch rubbage. Long story, lot's of humour... another time.

I'm hoping to keep the car after today. Had it along at DWYB completely standard and it was AWESOME. To cut a long story short the money I was going to spend on anything modification wise is now just going to be spent on track time and tyres until I feel the car's holding me back. If I just keep on top of the maintenance I think that'll probably be a long way off. Was quite happy with the occasional linked run on the Kidney track for a first day and don't feel like there's anything I NEEEEEEED to change about the car to make it skid better until I'm MUCH better myself.

GOT TO: Fix the problem caused today by the diff mounts being shagged. This means new subframe bushes, new diff bushes and new mounts. Get a slightly smaller steering wheel. Get the arches flared so Will's wheels fit under them. Replace rear brake line. Get powersteering pump.

WOULD LIKE TO: Get the front and back camber sorted so that I don't have such hilariously lopsided tyres. Replace down pipe so it doesn't fart quite so much.

Ren: Once all of the above's done I seriously want your wheels as skid wheels. I'll look into fundage.

Most important thing is MORE SEATTIME. As a result, this 'build' may take some time before anything really interesting happens.

ren_juanjo · 11-09-2008, 04:14

sounds like you got all the right attitude! bet the car looks mean on the BBSs.

my kontours end tomorrow on ebay, so let me know!

Sea Squirrel · 11-09-2008, 11:29

Yes. Yes it does.

20vWill · 11-09-2008, 12:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sea Squirrel

the fronts are fine but the rear tyres are already popped due to arch rubbage

What happened man? Did you roll the lips first? There's plenty of people at DWYB that would have help you with a jack handle, pole etc?

Fronts look cool! Get the arches rolled though and then you can run a more sensible 215/40. You might get away with a 215/40 now, but it will catch when drifting I think.

As for bushes, Powerflex are fine for subframe mounts and trailing arm bushes, and AKG from the USA do differential mounts in Polyeurathane. Both available off of ebay. Replace the front diff-mount bolt too while you are at it (and Loctite it!), and try and crack the nut off the fore-mounted subframe mount studs, rather than unscrewing the whole stud as it can get damaged.

Any help/advice you need just give me a shout.

Sea Squirrel · 11-09-2008, 12:27

Basically Danny, Loz and I looked at it and there was enough clearance for me to get home before worrying about rolling them. However, this was before I'd put the (oddly heavy) 19's in the back. With them, and me, it was a different story and by that time everyone else had driven off! Doesn't matter. Got home but need to do the work to the subframe and diff.

The diff mount bolt has sheared thanks to the stress put on it by the (diff?) subframe mounts. Not a problem, the prop didn't work it's way through into the cabin because of it so everything's still watertight, the bolt and subframe mounts can all be replaced and then it'll be fine. Only thing that's worrying me is that I think the diff lost some oil because of it. May need to get a rebuild on it sooner rather than later.

20vWill · 13-09-2008, 16:37

Yep, E36 diff mountings suck. Basically you need either poly or solid diff mounts. It is the movement of the rubber in these 3 bushes which often loosens up the nose-mount bolt, and combined with some torques often shears it! Good luck drilling it out the diff case, I'd recommend a machine shop! Mine was the same and was a nightmare.

Mine is fully poly'd at the back now, including the 3 diff mounts. Works great. No more slop and no more sheared bolts!

Re the rubbing, yeah, with all that load they would rub, since your ride height would be pretty slammed at that point! Ah sorry man, I thought you were going to be drifting on the 17's and chavving it up home on the 19's!

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08-09-2008, 09:06	#21 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Right... despite all of the futt buckery that's gone on with this car it's still in my posession for the time being. Not really done anything to it as not sure if I'm keeping it. HOWEVER, hoping to replace the wheels anyway (with MR Will's if they're still available in a bit) and I need to get some drift wheels for this wednesdays Pod. Does anyone know if the 15" wheels that were originally fitted to the e36 compact will clear M3 brakes?

08-09-2008, 12:21	#22 (permalink)
20vWill ...... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Doon Sooth Posts: 3,856	15's will not fit the front, and most 15's rub the caliper on the rear.

08-09-2008, 23:42	#23 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Yep, discovered this today. In fact even BMW 16s won't fit the front. 17's or nothing. Oh cock.

09-09-2008, 00:38	#24 (permalink)
ren_juanjo buttercakes!! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: fife, scotlandshire Posts: 934	some 17s wont fit the front either, they catch the outside edge of the brakes. you need some m3 contours really hint as will says most 15s won't go on the back, i've had a couple of 16" alloys that don't fit on the back as well, although this is by no means the norm. i'd honestly just stick with 17s. they allow you to fit good widths of tyres which the m3 will enjoy when you want to do some more faster skiddings. tyres are cheap to buy new, and easy to find free on tyre piles.

09-09-2008, 01:11	#25 (permalink)
20vWill ...... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Doon Sooth Posts: 3,856	Renato is correct. 17's are the way. Tyres plentiful on piles and cheap from mytyres etc. 18's are OK too but a little big.

09-09-2008, 11:20	#26 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Cheers guys. You're right. It's just trying to find some shitty 17's locally for little money in order to get to Pod that's causing me hassle at the moment. Or even shitty no-grip worn 19's for the wank that's on there now. I'm tempted to youc Contours ren, to be honest if I can't find anything today I'll probably get them from you as a drift wheel. Still want Will's BBS's as an everyday wheel once I know if I'm keeping the car or not.

09-09-2008, 14:51	#27 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Will, you aren't going to DWYB tomorrow by any chance? I'm desperate to get along to one at the moment but need to get wheels sorted. Ironically getting yours would allow me to use the 19's as drift wheels until sold/replaced.

09-09-2008, 15:00	#28 (permalink)
skylineslider spl dori master Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: swansea Posts: 258	i used the basic fk coilovers on my 3 series and it transformed the car,i was impressed with the damping considering they were only 400

09-09-2008, 18:32	#31 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	May take you up on that dude. Do you have the tyres to hand for them? Not necessarily fitted as I can obviously get that done. Would pick up the camber arms at the same time. Where abouts are you dude?

09-09-2008, 18:44	#32 (permalink)
20vWill ...... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Doon Sooth Posts: 3,856	You have PM.

09-09-2008, 19:05	#33 (permalink)
griffo20022 BMW Driver... Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wolverhampton Posts: 1,239	If you buy Rens Contours use those are your daily wheels man and refurb em Contours FTW :P You thought anymore wether your going to keep it yet or not?

09-09-2008, 21:28	#34 (permalink)
ren_juanjo buttercakes!! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: fife, scotlandshire Posts: 934	buy mine and wills wheels, ebay the 19s for chrome fanboy cashmoneyss, everyones a winner

11-09-2008, 00:29	#35 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Right... to all of the above in one I guess. I've bought Will's wheels. It was an epic mission today that I'll go into some other time, and in some other place, but the out come is that the fronts are fine but the rear tyres are already popped due to arch rubbage. Long story, lot's of humour... another time. I'm hoping to keep the car after today. Had it along at DWYB completely standard and it was AWESOME. To cut a long story short the money I was going to spend on anything modification wise is now just going to be spent on track time and tyres until I feel the car's holding me back. If I just keep on top of the maintenance I think that'll probably be a long way off. Was quite happy with the occasional linked run on the Kidney track for a first day and don't feel like there's anything I NEEEEEEED to change about the car to make it skid better until I'm MUCH better myself. GOT TO: Fix the problem caused today by the diff mounts being shagged. This means new subframe bushes, new diff bushes and new mounts. Get a slightly smaller steering wheel. Get the arches flared so Will's wheels fit under them. Replace rear brake line. Get powersteering pump. WOULD LIKE TO: Get the front and back camber sorted so that I don't have such hilariously lopsided tyres. Replace down pipe so it doesn't fart quite so much. Ren: Once all of the above's done I seriously want your wheels as skid wheels. I'll look into fundage. Most important thing is MORE SEATTIME. As a result, this 'build' may take some time before anything really interesting happens.

11-09-2008, 04:14	#36 (permalink)
ren_juanjo buttercakes!! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: fife, scotlandshire Posts: 934	sounds like you got all the right attitude! bet the car looks mean on the BBSs. my kontours end tomorrow on ebay, so let me know!

11-09-2008, 11:29	#37 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Yes. Yes it does.

11-09-2008, 12:27	#39 (permalink)
Sea Squirrel Jeff Mills Is Watching! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dover, Kent Posts: 1,477	Basically Danny, Loz and I looked at it and there was enough clearance for me to get home before worrying about rolling them. However, this was before I'd put the (oddly heavy) 19's in the back. With them, and me, it was a different story and by that time everyone else had driven off! Doesn't matter. Got home but need to do the work to the subframe and diff. The diff mount bolt has sheared thanks to the stress put on it by the (diff?) subframe mounts. Not a problem, the prop didn't work it's way through into the cabin because of it so everything's still watertight, the bolt and subframe mounts can all be replaced and then it'll be fine. Only thing that's worrying me is that I think the diff lost some oil because of it. May need to get a rebuild on it sooner rather than later.

13-09-2008, 16:37	#40 (permalink)
20vWill ...... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Doon Sooth Posts: 3,856	Yep, E36 diff mountings suck. Basically you need either poly or solid diff mounts. It is the movement of the rubber in these 3 bushes which often loosens up the nose-mount bolt, and combined with some torques often shears it! Good luck drilling it out the diff case, I'd recommend a machine shop! Mine was the same and was a nightmare. Mine is fully poly'd at the back now, including the 3 diff mounts. Works great. No more slop and no more sheared bolts! Re the rubbing, yeah, with all that load they would rub, since your ride height would be pretty slammed at that point! Ah sorry man, I thought you were going to be drifting on the 17's and chavving it up home on the 19's!