Drift mags.

[Stavros]

Originally Posted by jap-si

so because it is a reason, it validates lazyness? not aiming this at individuals, mistakes happen, no biggie, but month after month just gets annoying and you lose faith in the mag. surely this is not what the shareholder wants?

clearly you guys don't just have to write about a couple of cars a month and spend the rest of the time naffing about, you are busy people writing about and researching alot of different car stuff day after day. but i think the reader deserves a little more credit. from what i understand the modified car mags are getting better than they were a few years ago, when they turned into nothing more than a mag full of pics and tits. as mentioned the editorial is supposedly getting better, but it would have to be consistant for me to start buying them again.

Im sorry, but you say this like you keep seeing tech mistakes in Redline?

Please, show me where. Or show me a magazine in the UK that is more tech and involved in drifting.

Im serious, I hate mistakes, and would like to know where the "lazyness" is, as anything I wasnt totally correct with its tech/drift content I wouldnt let go in.

If you are just guessing from browsing through Max or Fast or memories of old mags, you have massivley the wrong impression, as the earlier comments from others who clearly read the mag show.

We not all the same, trust me.

[redlinedan]

Originally Posted by jap-si

so because it is a reason, it validates lazyness?

Quite the opposite. Because of the 'reason' we constantly have to try and produce the best magazine we can with the resources we have. Making a magazine that follows the same formula month after month is lazy. Making a magazine that charts, follows and to some extent dictates the 'scene' is anything but lazy.


Dan

[mittomatto]

hmmm i think you guys may have taken most post a little to heart, CHILL. Redline has done a lot for me and i appreciate it, infact Redline is the best BY FAR imho, thanks to Stav, Davey and obviously Dan. My comments arent aimed directly at you guys you know. Adder... dang thats OLD lol but i was offering drifting up to the mags way back then, if it was taken on board earlier we'd be more advanced now. its not a dig, its just the way it is. Davey was adament he wanted my feature to be accurate and it was! nice! i understand the work volume and pressure you guys are under to meet deadlines, but by all means, you have my number and i'll always help where ever i can

simply, the mags cant take the blame, its down to all of us. We have to work from where we are at now. unfortunatley we dont have the numbers for a drift specific mag.

its becoming more difficult to have an opinion on here without causing an uproar. next time maybe i'll just saying nothing...

[redlinedan]

By all means have an opinion mate, but there are ways to get your point across without it sounding so bitter. Especially when the people it was clearly aimed at have helped you out so much.

I'll drop it now, and go back to writing badly informed articles on chav mobiles, street racing and doing big skids in Asda carpark.

Dan

X

[jap-si]

ok maybe the lazy is not the right word, and it was for the money arguement not any specific magazine. And to further credit you i haven't read Redline in a while, this is a comment about modified car mags in general. as i have just spoken to Dan about.

i used to buy and read other peoples copies of mags regularly and was disapointed in the content.

I would gladly start buying modified mags or 1 specific mag if i felt i was going to get some good insight into a topic or i learned something new. in comparison to some of the classic car mags etc, i felt we the modified car mag reader are not getting the same service, in the mags that i have read. i thought that i was being ripped off by them so stopped buying them.

dan is going to prove to me otherwise an i welcome his efforts, he and stavros are both very clearly passionate about their magazine, as i am passionate about my car, other cars, and my £4.

[astraboy]

Originally Posted by jap-si

i used to buy and read other peoples copies of mags regularly and was disapointed in the content.

Point taken, but of the lot of them, Redline is by far the least to blame.
During my time on the mag, they were ALWAYS receptive to new ideas, even covering a world record attempt on the longest continually held drift after I suggested it. In 2001.
astraboy.

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by TaxiDori

I've been thinking about starting a small 'indie' mag dedicated to drifting. Start small and grow as teh fanbase of drifting itself grows in this country. It would be alot of hardwork and organising tho.

i'd buy it.

[Mr Bizzle]

Originally Posted by LiGhTnInG

i'd buy it.

Unfortunatly, few other people would. Not enough to make a stand alone publication profitable in todays market place. Printed media on the whole is in a bit of a death dive.

If a publishing company took the concept on, then maybe. But i doubt anybody would look at the marketplace as it is at the moment and say that it was able to support another automotive publication. Even one unique to drifting.

In the nicest possible way (and without trying to sound too arogent) i doubt that there are many people on this thread who actually know what it takes to publish a printed publication.

Internet is the way forward my friends. If you want to start a drift specifit E-Zine. Then i recon you would go far

[rad_brad]

i have to admit that not too long ago and still even to a certain degree now i bought magazines like max power and redline for the little modified cars like saxos nd what-not because it was what i liked. then max power started to be showing more tits than wheels, and trust me i have nothing against tits, but i buy a car mag to see cars, if i wanted tits id go to the top shelf instead. i continued to read redline for quite a while as i enjoyed the articles and seeing the cars featured. then one day i noticed seeing the very first exhibition match at silverstone and that was it i was hooked on drifting. so when its sister mag J-tuner turned up i loved it. japanese cars only and drifting featured in every issue, it was perfect. but that was the problem, because it was aimed at such a small market of the magazine buyers it didnt make as much money as expected and so was discontinued (a sad day). i would love to see something like that again even if it was drift specific, but as other have said this website is pretty much an interactive magazine, and i find it much momre useful than something in print. you have answers to questions instantly and can interact with people with a love like yours.

i think that probably didnt have any relevance to what has been said but its my 2 cents

[MrNick]

Internet is the way forward my friends



agreed.....magazines are finished ,now the vid hosting is easy and free thats the final bullet


get your coats














.

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by redlinedan

By all means have an opinion mate, but there are ways to get your point across without it sounding so bitter. Especially when the people it was clearly aimed at have helped you out so much.

I'll drop it now, and go back to writing badly informed articles on chav mobiles, street racing and doing big skids in Asda carpark.

Dan

X

it wasnt aimed at REDLINE, per say, just the media in general. its like offering cutting edge information is not allowed. tbh, if more money was directed into the mag and lead times on articles cut down you'd be singing. if it counts for anything, i have a stack of redline mags dating back to around 1996/97 and you remain to be the first magazine on my list of "would you like the new car in?" ... which i will contact you about at a later date also though i now expect to hear "click burrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr"

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Not enough to make a stand alone publication profitable in todays market place

not everything in life revolves around making money...

[DavidRuston]

When Jtuner went down last year, some people looked heavily into starting an e-zine. I know they are still working on the project, but it takes more than just a flash website and a subscription system to make it a reality. real Substance would make it succeed.

[SteveC200]

I wonder if DW would be receptive to adding contributers articles to the front page? Another little tag on the top: Home, Forum, Shop, Contact, Magazine.

[cookwibble]

Originally Posted by SteveC200

I wonder if DW would be receptive to adding contributers articles to the front page? Another little tag on the top: Home, Forum, Shop, Contact, Magazine.

good plan.

but i for one like to sit back on the old sofa with a cup of tea and read a magazine, rather than staring at a screen. people are saying magazines are dead due to the internet but i dont think so. i think the issue with modified cars is that the market is diversifying (spl?) so quickly. even within drifting and on this site there are people who wouldnt buy a drifting magazine because its full of S-bodys and skylines.

i think the only solution is for us all to kill ourselves as its all gone to shit

[Mr Bizzle]

Originally Posted by mittomatto

not everything in life revolves around making money...

Let me tell you mate, in media land - it does. Period. The bottom line is always about how much money you can make, how much advertising revinue you can bring in and how many readers/subscribers you can get.

It's sad, but that's just the way it works. Everybody has revinue targets to hit, from the Editor and the Managing Director to the most junior guy selling the little 3x1 classified adverts. They have to make X amount of money to insure that they take home X amount of money at the end of each month for them selfs.

Not everything in live envolves making money. But it's an unfortunate fact that money does not grow on trees and everybody has to live. MOST people have to work for it.

[Stavros]

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

MOST people have to work for it.

I just know you wanted to add to that...

"And some just sponge off their minted mum"

[cookwibble]

if a magazine doesnt make money all the journalists go hungry, their children have to wear tatty old clothes to school and they get bullied. even non profit organisations have to make money to pay people otherwise they couldnt eat. of course its about making money. and there is nothing at all wrong with that. there were two fellas who had a problem with that a few years back. they were called Marx and Engels. and they both happened to make a fair bit of cash out of selling magazines so even they were about money

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by Stavros

I just know you wanted to add to that...

"And some just sponge off their minted mum"

Ouch

[Mr Bizzle]

Originally Posted by Stavros

I just know you wanted to add to that...

"And some just sponge off their minted mum"

Not at all actually mate,
If people's families have the resources to support there children in that way then fair fucking play. I wish my parents had the wonga to support me.