Drift mags.

[Stavros]

Well it was a good joke either way

Id be totally fucked without "borrowing" money from the old man.

Actually im still fucked and skint even tho I do

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by cookwibble

if a magazine doesnt make money all the journalists go hungry

Stavros has never been hungry in his life

[Stavros]

Esp not hungry for cock like you

[Mad Cas]

I think half the problem is the fact that its money oriented, seems like the journo's are usually freelance, and know fuck all about cars, as they will probably be writing an article for 'what hi-fi' or 'gardeners world' next week,
hence the lack of in depth knowledge.

Drifting has always been poorly marketed in the UK, and is still a niche market, which is probably why the magazines feel we should be grateful for what coverage we do get in amongst the 900 pages of double page ads full of cheap fibreglass tat for MK4 escorts and corsas, and the 400 pages of cars that have fallen victim to the owners inhibited taste gene, and the 200 pages of cruise reports with chavs pulling moonies next to smoke-shrouded cars with 20 people sat on the bonnet and not to forget the skanky slappers with thier pasty baps out with captions like 'pink AND brown' this is all because the mags are aimed at the general public. Average I.Q: 85.

Have only ever seen a couple of good drift related articles, funnily enough writted by Stav and Dale (Superretard on here)

But I have to call you out on the tech thing Stav, Retro ford, Classic ford and Retro cars have waaaaaaaay more tech than any mag ever, real in depth shit like building gearboxes and locating linked live axles. Need something like that for other cars, not just old anglias and the like, banzai/JP could do something like that but again, the people its aimed at probably wouldn't appreciated it so they will stick to articles breaded from the US, or cars where the owner has bent over and been raped for every HKS part possible, and had it bolted to the car and then a flashy paint job, no innovation or personality, just another boring scooby or evo with too much spent on it.

And finally, if I see one more article entitled 'Catch my Drift' I'm going to bounce someones f**king melon off a wall!

[Mr Bizzle]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

And finally, if I see one more article entitled 'Catch my Drift' I'm going to bounce someones f**king melon off a wall!

HAHAHAHHAHAH

Classic

[jap-si]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

I think half the problem is the fact that its money oriented, seems like the journo's are usually freelance, and know fuck all about cars, as they will probably be writing an article for 'what hi-fi' or 'gardeners world' next week,
hence the lack of in depth knowledge.

Drifting has always been poorly marketed in the UK, and is still a niche market, which is probably why the magazines feel we should be grateful for what coverage we do get in amongst the 900 pages of double page ads full of cheap fibreglass tat for MK4 escorts and corsas, and the 400 pages of cars that have fallen victim to the owners inhibited taste gene, and the 200 pages of cruise reports with chavs pulling moonies next to smoke-shrouded cars with 20 people sat on the bonnet and not to forget the skanky slappers with thier pasty baps out with captions like 'pink AND brown' this is all because the mags are aimed at the general public. Average I.Q: 85.

Have only ever seen a couple of good drift related articles, funnily enough writted by Stav and Dale (Superretard on here)

But I have to call you out on the tech thing Stav, Retro ford, Classic ford and Retro cars have waaaaaaaay more tech than any mag ever, real in depth shit like building gearboxes and locating linked live axles. Need something like that for other cars, not just old anglias and the like, banzai/JP could do something like that but again, the people its aimed at probably wouldn't appreciated it so they will stick to articles breaded from the US, or cars where the owner has bent over and been raped for every HKS part possible, and had it bolted to the car and then a flashy paint job, no innovation or personality, just another boring scooby or evo with too much spent on it.

And finally, if I see one more article entitled 'Catch my Drift' I'm going to bounce someones f**king melon off a wall!

from now on i am going to get Mad cas to write all my posts for me. that was pretty much what i wanted to say in the first place.

[Dan Goodyer]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

And finally, if I see one more article entitled 'Catch my Drift' I'm going to bounce someones f**king melon off a wall!

LOL. I haven't got it here, but I'm pretty sure that's what I called the feature I mentioned that I wrote in 2003! What can I say? For an intro into drifting, I thought it was very approriate. If I've been copied I'm going to take legal action

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

I think half the problem is the fact that its money oriented, seems like the journo's are usually freelance, and know fuck all about cars, as they will probably be writing an article for 'what hi-fi' or 'gardeners world' next week,
hence the lack of in depth knowledge.

I'm freelance and I know what I'm on about. I don't plan on writing about hi-fi, gardening or any other subject I don't know about any time soon. Edit - If you're going to make a point, be specific. WHO are you talking about? If it's me then have the balls to say so. If its someone else then name them or we all get tar'd with the same brush.

I think Stavros was talking about techy stuff within the area of modified cars across the board. Sure if you have a one-make magazine you can spend lots of pages on specific features because people will want to read it. Transfer that to Redline for example, and it doesn't work. Partially because unless you own that specific model it's not of interest to you, and also because the over whelming magazine and car modifying public employ garages/engineers to carry out the work for them. If everyone beavered away in their garages making Gt-spec turbos out of old welded exhausts and old cambelts then there would be no industry, no Sumo Power for example. Actually, maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing?

Again, a lot of people assume they know how to put a mag together - specifically a mag like Redline which has to juggle a number of different makes, models and style of cars. But unless you have worked on one it is almost certain you don't realise how difficult it is.


Anyway, we've come full circle to my original point - It IS possible for someone who isn't a drifting competitor in Prodrift/EDC, whatever championship, to write accurate articles on drifting.

It's not different to writing about the Trophee Andros series, European drag racing, Formula One, etc, etc. I don't think Jeremy Clarkson has ever designed and built a car either, so he shouldn't have a comment on anything by that logic?? That was the cliquey nature I was talking about that's seemed to cause WWIII. And that IS putting people off drifting.

And as always lots of people have pulled out the "innacurate drifting stuff amonst features of MK4 Escorts" reply. Firstly, show me where a Mk4 Escort was featured recently in anything other than a Ford mag? You're using 1990's cliche's that went out with re-runs of men behaving badly and those simley 'aceeeed' faces.

Show me where my articles (as few as there have been), have errors.

If you now turn around and say 'actually, I haven't read any of yours', then you're proving my point aren't you?!


Whatever the outcome of this thread, it has put me off writing any sort of drift feature again. So that's already one person who has supported the scene and acutally cares that the right people get recognition has gone.

No doubt someone that wants to be famous but doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to cars/tuning/modifying (self-proclaimed 'king pin of the car game' Westwood springs to mind) will come along and write a load of shite instead.

SHOW us, QUOTE our errors. If not then YOU can STFU.

[S14Adrian]

Just to ease some of the stress aimed at UK writers anyone checked out US mag SuperStreet.I get this every month since 2003 and there writers in almost every feature waffle complete self absorbed bollocks about their own lives for 3/4 of the feature then cram a little bit of info into last 1/4.The American drift scene has more money aimed at it than UK but even their mag coverage is poor.I think we do well in UK with Redline and Banzai as to most people drifting seems relatively new to the UK and arent aware of the Team Nightspirit history and Doricar.I know personally the first time I heard of UK drifting it was because of Banzai covering a Turweston event and other subsequent events got a mention before it became trendy.At the end of the day drifting needs positive promotion,if a car is in a mag it bodes well for the drivers sponsors,more people spectate at events and what the hell more people give it a go.The trouble is to SOME people (Carolgees and Stav excepted) writing a feature will just be a job we cant expect everyone to share the same enthusiasm for the sport,sad but true.............

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by Stavros

I just know you wanted to add to that...

"And some just sponge off their minted mum"

the mum jokes are so "class of 1997"

[Baron Von diff diff]

ah yes mitto but your mum ist very pretty

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by Baron Von diff diff

ah yes mitto but your mum ist very pretty

who the hell are you?

[oli]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

Need something like that for other cars, not just old anglias and the like, banzai/JP could do something like that but again, the people its aimed at probably wouldn't appreciated it so they will stick to articles breaded from the US, or cars where the owner has bent over and been raped for every HKS part possible, and had it bolted to the car and then a flashy paint job, no innovation or personality, just another boring scooby or evo with too much spent on it.

nail on head

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by Baron Von diff diff

ah yes mitto but your mum ist very pretty

yes who the hell are you? dont be fooled into thinking i wont smack you upside the head for saying things like that, you got nerve, even if its a joke.

[MJG]

I'll nerve you...

[Mad Cas]

Firstly, holy shit! I seem to have struck a nerve with that! Was that because I didn't mention your name alongside Stav and Dale? I've probabably read your articles and possibly liked them, and probably even seen/talked to you at a drift day somewhere, and your posts are normally constructive and intelligent, so from that I deduce you are not a complete organzola muncher and hence a sound guy,but you may have jumped the gun a bit here!

Originally Posted by Carolgees

LOL. I haven't got it here, but I'm pretty sure that's what I called the feature I mentioned that I wrote in 2003! What can I say? For an intro into drifting, I thought it was very approriate. If I've been copied I'm going to take legal action

Do it! its a logical and useable if predictible title for an article, guessing that would have been latter stages of the turweston era and therefore probably the first to use it, so yes sue those breading fucks for making it uber cliche!

Originally Posted by Carolgees

I'm freelance and I know what I'm on about. I don't plan on writing about hi-fi, gardening or any other subject I don't know about any time soon. Edit - If you're going to make a point, be specific. WHO are you talking about? If it's me then have the balls to say so. If its someone else then name them or we all get tar'd with the same brush.

There have been enough crappy articles in enough crappy mags to stop me from being specific, although I'll happily review any articles you wish to send me and post my opinion of the journalistic content, and then my criticism/praise will be more specific Sadly being tarred with brushes is something that happens to all, you just have to speak out and mention that you are different and why, or perhaps your journalism does the talking? see above few lines.

Originally Posted by Carolgees

I think Stavros was talking about techy stuff within the area of modified cars across the board. Sure if you have a one-make magazine you can spend lots of pages on specific features because people will want to read it. Transfer that to Redline for example, and it doesn't work. Partially because unless you own that specific model it's not of interest to you, and also because the over whelming magazine and car modifying public employ garages/engineers to carry out the work for them. If everyone beavered away in their garages making Gt-spec turbos out of old welded exhausts and old cambelts then there would be no industry, no Sumo Power for example. Actually, maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing?

Retro Cars isn't one make? has lots of tech? And I did say lots of specialised stuff and uber-involved tech articles would make the magazine aimed at a smaller market, i.e loose readers. If the mag were for me, great, but I'm not so single minded and self absorbed that I think car mags are made just for me and those like me.

I'm not saying anything about Sumo Power apart from 'free enterprise'
As I have never dealt with Sumo/Andy Barnes and if I say something he doesn't like he might start sending me the remnants of his sideburns in the post... ...or something. Besides, its often a lot easier, faster, cheaper and more reliable to buy the proper shit (if your model of car allows it) than to hash things up from scrapyard parts.

Originally Posted by Carolgees

Again, a lot of people assume they know how to put a mag together - specifically a mag like Redline which has to juggle a number of different makes, models and style of cars. But unless you have worked on one it is almost certain you don't realise how difficult it is.

I won't pretend I know fuck all about putting a magazine together. I'm sure its tricky and if I had to write an article in a matter of days about a car I knew nothing about I'd struggle to get everything spot on, and make the article fulfilling to those that know the car well, but I think placing the right writer on the right article is part of the art of putting a good mag together, so no excuses there

I know little about putting a magazine together but I'll let anyone call me out on the writing. I think I'd write a mean article given relavant subject matter.

Originally Posted by Carolgees

Anyway, we've come full circle to my original point - It IS possible for someone who isn't a drifting competitor in Prodrift/EDC, whatever championship, to write accurate articles on drifting.

Never said it wasn't, I agree entirely. Competitors by their nature are biased and single minded, someone watching from the outside of it all will have a much better overall perspective. I'm always amazed how much the photographers (you know who you are) pick up and so quickly. Come back in from a few laps and they say how they thought the car was performing and its what you were feeling from the drivers seat. And a lot of the photographers don't mechanic and drive.

Originally Posted by Carolgees

It's not different to writing about the Trophee Andros series, European drag racing, Formula One, etc, etc. I don't think Jeremy Clarkson has ever designed and built a car either, so he shouldn't have a comment on anything by that logic?? That was the cliquey nature I was talking about that's seemed to cause WWIII. And that IS putting people off drifting.

See above about the photographers, applies to others too. I am guilty of being cliquey though,

Originally Posted by Carolgees

And as always lots of people have pulled out the "innacurate drifting stuff amonst features of MK4 Escorts" reply. Firstly, show me where a Mk4 Escort was featured recently in anything other than a Ford mag? You're using 1990's cliche's that went out with re-runs of men behaving badly and those simley 'aceeeed' faces.

You got me there. My excuse: I've been sat in my room since '91 listening to stuff like rhythm of the night by corona. I'll put my glowsticks and whistle down and change my example to newer cars like peugot 307's and ford focii.
point still stands tho!

Originally Posted by Carolgees

Show me where my articles (as few as there have been), have errors.

If you now turn around and say 'actually, I haven't read any of yours', then you're proving my point aren't you?!


Whatever the outcome of this thread, it has put me off writing any sort of drift feature again. So that's already one person who has supported the scene and acutally cares that the right people get recognition has gone.

No doubt someone that wants to be famous but doesn't know his arse from his elbow when it comes to cars/tuning/modifying (self-proclaimed 'king pin of the car game' Westwood springs to mind) will come along and write a load of shite instead.

SHOW us, QUOTE our errors. If not then YOU can STFU.

I'll call ya out on that. Show me your writings/magazines and I'll see if I can find any, more importantly, show it to everyone here, you will get a better general idea other than just my opinion, which, when you consider how many people buy a regular car magazine are virtually worthless; it will probably be ok, but its beside my point, my comments were aimed at a ruck of publications, not any specific one.


Sorr if I've put you off writing drift features with what I've said, but I've not *specifically* assaulted anything that you yourself have put your time into,
so I feel you have no need to be disheartened just yet. This is the longest post ever, but I felt that all you said deserved individual responses, as I was generalising up until then.

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by mittomatto

yes who the hell are you? dont be fooled into thinking i wont smack you upside the head for saying things like that, you got nerve, even if its a joke.

Call yourself a pillar of the drifting community? You don't know Baron von Diff Diff?

He's a 6'7" german dude (you can tell by the accent) who has a Pro-D1 car crushing Armour plated BMW, and dislikes being smacked upside the head (but probably loves David Hasselhoff)

Anyway, its not him you have to worry about, I was talking to Johnny 'Hopper'
today, and he is still going to do your mum...

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

Johnny 'Hopper'

everything makes sense now tell the fat git my new number and tell him to give me a shout!

[hashiriya]

I really got tired of reading four pages of bitching at each other so i haven't bothered and some of the stuff I write here may have been covered already.

I think the problem with most drift articles I have read is that they are too basic or are simply event reports that say "this guy was good and beat another guy in the semi final etc."

Having read several of the Japanese magazines, the articles that are of interest speak of quite specific things. They may talk about steering lock and how many of the top drivers have adapted their cars and how much angle each car has. The artilce would then suggest the common ways that people are achieving this and still offer the alternative opinons as an option. I know this would probably be too much for the layman reader but starting with the basics and gradually working up would make sense.

for example,

first article would cover the basics of doing controlled donuts with detailed explaination of how ot go about it. Maybe have one of the more popular drivers give some advice on the topic and some detailed step by step photos that would help explain it. then maybe have a short piece on a particular modification to the car, diffs for example. Mention and cover the various types that are out there and their pro's and cons. Accompany that with the opinions of some top drivers and why they choose the diff that they have.

second issue may then move on to the next step in terms of driving technique and a different modification in detail.

This would certainly keep me reading as the content takes a different angle each issue and also for drivers who are learning gives them a step by step method of things to practice.

I guess "structure" is the key to this and i for one would be willing to support any publications who owuld want to follow this kind of pattern.

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by hashiriya

I really got tired of reading four pages of bitching at each other so i haven't bothered and some of the stuff I write here may have been covered already.

I think the problem with most drift articles I have read is that they are too basic or are simply event reports that say "this guy was good and beat another guy in the semi final etc."

Having read several of the Japanese magazines, the articles that are of interest speak of quite specific things. They may talk about steering lock and how many of the top drivers have adapted their cars and how much angle each car has. The artilce would then suggest the common ways that people are achieving this and still offer the alternative opinons as an option. I know this would probably be too much for the layman reader but starting with the basics and gradually working up would make sense.

for example,

first article would cover the basics of doing controlled donuts with detailed explaination of how ot go about it. Maybe have one of the more popular drivers give some advice on the topic and some detailed step by step photos that would help explain it. then maybe have a short piece on a particular modification to the car, diffs for example. Mention and cover the various types that are out there and their pro's and cons. Accompany that with the opinions of some top drivers and why they choose the diff that they have.

second issue may then move on to the next step in terms of driving technique and a different modification in detail.

This would certainly keep me reading as the content takes a different angle each issue and also for drivers who are learning gives them a step by step method of things to practice.

I guess "structure" is the key to this and i for one would be willing to support any publications who owuld want to follow this kind of pattern.

nail on head

[Dori Mat]

Originally Posted by Carolgees

And as always lots of people have pulled out the "innacurate drifting stuff amonst features of MK4 Escorts" reply. Firstly, show me where a Mk4 Escort was featured recently in anything other than a Ford mag? You're using 1990's cliche's that went out with re-runs of men behaving badly and those simley 'aceeeed' faces.

i "think" there was a mk4 escort cabby in redline a couple of months ago i say think because it was so over the top i couldn't actually tell exactly what it was stavros maybe able to confirm what it was ,it was beige with brown interior and range rover rear lights

i personally like the staff cars feature in redline every month cause you can see the staff actually enjoy the scene they are involved in writing about ,same thing with j-tuner that had people on the team who weren't journo's as such but were people on the modified car scene who knew what they were on about ,shame it came down to money and it folded