Most Powerful S13 In The Uk? - Page 3 - Drifting forum

TomB · 25-04-2008, 10:05

SR20DET, (Singer Rebuild) Built after Nissan Japan struck a long lasting partnership with Singer Corporation to supply components for its new powerplant found in models such as PS13 Silvia/180SX S14/S14A Silvia etc.
Singer were commissioned to supply primarily "Rocker Arms" amongst other minor components.

It was later realised that the "Cam on bucket" valvetrain, as found in the CA18DET Engine was far superior, yet the deal had been done and the inferior engine was forced into production, much to the dismay of drivers around the world

cefiro_drifta · 25-04-2008, 10:14

fricking lifestylers, who givers a frick if an sr sounds shit , as long as it performs then thats all i care about. OH noes my car wont drift coz its got an engine that sounds shit

, best get an 1jz in it to sounds nice and then it will be able to drift

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

as for the CA - better than a fricking RB for reliability thats for sure .... u can run a CA with only 1/3 of the required oil in it for AGGGGGEEESSSS with no drama's , have 300ml less than the reqired level in an RB and it shits itself. I have had 5 s13's with CA's , 3 have had over 150k on the original bigends and everything else and was happy to be abused, the other one was perfect for 12 months with nothing wrong with it with over 120k on it and the last one had the bigends knocking for at least a year and still went like a rocket with no problems...

docwra · 25-04-2008, 11:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Weak... very weak
Editing quotes is just gay. Come back with a something a little more creative than that or don't even bother posting.

What, like youve got all creative there? How about this:

It just took Bizzle with a total lack of knowledge or experience but some incredibly outspoken and unfounded opinions (particularly with regards to his own drifting ability) to stand up and realise.

Dont start crying coz youve realised you cant support what you are claiming mate

Mr Bizzle · 25-04-2008, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by docwra

What, like youve got all creative there? How about this:

It just took Bizzle with a total lack of knowledge or experience but some incredibly outspoken and unfounded opinions (particularly with regards to his own drifting ability) to stand up and realise.

Dont start crying coz youve realised you cant support what you are claiming mate

Okey Mr Docwra,
Please clarify the above comments with propper proof that i have a lack of knowledge or experience, proove that my experience is unfounded and show me where i have ever spouted about my own drifting ability and i will happily go along with it.

(Obiwan voice

"Use the SEARCH docwra"

docwra · 25-04-2008, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

Okey Mr Docwra,
Please clarify the above comments with propper proof that i have a lack of knowledge or experience, proove that my experience is unfounded and show me where i have ever spouted about my own drifting ability and i will happily go along with it.

(Obiwan voice

"Use the SEARCH docwra"

I dont need the search - one simple question:

How many CA's have you owned and how many have you drifted?

I dont deny the fact that you know your stuff about SR's, geometry whetever else, but we are talking about CA's here.

I dont claim to know about the intricacies of wine making and grape identification because I drank a bottle of red once

Mr Bizzle · 25-04-2008, 11:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by docwra

I dont need the search - one simple question:

How many CA's have you owned and how many have you drifted?

I dont deny the fact that you know your stuff about SR's, geometry whetever else, but we are talking about CA's here.

I dont claim to know about the intricacies of wine making and grape identification because I drank a bottle of red once

I have owned two CA18DET powered S13's and drifted both of my own a lot (one was a daily driver/skidder) and i have driven countless numbers of CA powered S13's at various different drift events and tracks over the last 4 and a half years.

I broke both of mine and two of the ones that other people owned - one occasion we were doing a J Tuner photo shoot up in birmingham and i jumped in a certain blue S13, which lasted one lap of the track.

I have changed the big end bearings on two, done countless turbo swaps a couple of head changes etc. Lugged the darn things in and out of countless cars.

General consensus, they are shit.

I will continue this lovely conversation later as im leaving for Llandow to probably blow up my platinum coated SR.

docwra · 25-04-2008, 12:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Bizzle

I have owned two CA18DET powered S13's and drifted both of my own a lot (one was a daily driver/skidder) and i have driven countless numbers of CA powered S13's at various different drift events and tracks over the last 4 and a half years.

I broke both of mine and two of the ones that other people owned - one occasion we were doing a J Tuner photo shoot up in birmingham and i jumped in a certain blue S13, which lasted one lap of the track.

So with your experience of two cars you know more than everyone else?? Ive had CA's in my cars for 9 years now and have only had to rebuild one, Ian up there did 3 years competetion on one, Steve Carter ran 280+ bhp for 8 odd years without a rebuild, bigtones car did 10's of thousands of miles at around 500hp ........... theres loads more but you know that already.

Im not saying the CA is the best engine in the world, but its not shit, clearly.

Stavros · 25-04-2008, 12:09

"Although I give no technical reasoning for my arguments, my small experience of possibly badly tuned and built engines wasnt good, so they are all shit, even ones mapped and built properly"

Andy_f · 25-04-2008, 12:13

Thing is, you only ever hear the horror stories. Maybe if people posted about the abuse the CA can take like Mike did, people might think a bit differently. Just because you've had a couple of shitters Bizzle doesn't really mean you should be able to tar all of them with the same brush. Sure I'm no expert either, but my CA has stood up to 250-300hp for a year and a half now with no dramas, 120k on it.

Watch me blow it up this weekend now.

Hammond · 25-04-2008, 12:15

CA's are awesome. Like any engine as long as they are properly maintained and well cared for they will go on and on. Bizzle's just too posh for em

Mine has done 165k regularly sits on the limiter and I have been using it EVERY day for over a year as well as attending regular drift days. I've never once had a problem with the engine due to 2k oil changes and warming up/cooling down. It's done two turbo's and a gearbox, but the CA is saaaaawwweetttt. So up yours bizzle

TomB · 25-04-2008, 14:26

Also not forgetting Noz from SXOC, 380bhp on a stock tired CA, regular drag, enough said

**Mitch** · 25-04-2008, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by docwra

Ive had CA's in my cars for 9 years now ...

Is that all? Noob

cefiro_drifta · 25-04-2008, 15:00

yeah my one had 197k on the original engine BUT it had £50k worth of Nissan Main dealer reciepts for the last 18 yrs and only ever had to change the turbo and clutch, was still on original gearbox and engine internals . Was serviced every 3k miles at nissan and every single thing was done at the main dealer.

I sold it in October and i think it blew up as one of the injectors packed up and caused the other 3 to over compensate and bore wash the engine or something .... BUT saying that it was on the original injectors ..

Teggers · 25-04-2008, 15:34

Looks like the general consensus is that most people with experience of CA's (me included!) think they are great engines!

In answer to the original question, Bigtone's is the most powerful one I know of.

Roll on TOTB...

Stavros · 25-04-2008, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by cefiro_drifta

i think it blew up as one of the injectors packed up and caused the other 3 to over compensate and bore wash the engine or something

whoever told you that is wrong/retarded

Pikey · 25-04-2008, 16:02

Mattyboi · 25-04-2008, 16:07

In the grand scale of things CA`s and SR`s are shit. But for cheap engines that can take abuse they both rock.

CA`s get a bad billing because people think they are cheap so they`ll work on them theirselves and you know what people are don`t you, thats right shit. So when mr home mech on only rebuilds his 120,000m engine (properly measured? Doubt it) but tunes it to and uses a generic "stage" chip its never going to last.

I`ve had recently a 270bhp CA and a 270BHP SR, apart from abit of extra torque there wasn`t much difference and both were totally reliable. That CA was rebuilt properly which is why it lasted with medium power.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cefiro_drifta

i think it blew up as one of the injectors packed up and caused the other 3 to over compensate and bore wash the engine or something .... BUT saying that it was on the original injectors ..

Agree with stav.

doogie · 25-04-2008, 19:03

Please excuse my lack of knowledge,but just how cheap is a CA18 engine to buy?and are they any cheaper to tune then the SR20?

neil a walker · 25-04-2008, 20:50

oh yes! ca's are back of the sofa money really. just got one for £200. Sr's are a little more to buy but not much more. The ca is a 20+ year old design engine now so its not really be as smooth or refined as a modern engine. but who wants refined?! As for cheap tuning theres 2 ways of doing it. robbing bits off other cars and improvising or buying lots of specialist tuner parts designed for it.As with everything, if its been looked after its great, if you buy one thats been neglected, then bolt loads of bits on and ask 100bhp over standard out of it things break. genuine nissan parts arn't cheap though!

doogie · 26-04-2008, 01:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil a walker

oh yes! ca's are back of the sofa money really. just got one for £200. Sr's are a little more to buy but not much more. The ca is a 20+ year old design engine now so its not really be as smooth or refined as a modern engine. but who wants refined?! As for cheap tuning theres 2 ways of doing it. robbing bits off other cars and improvising or buying lots of specialist tuner parts designed for it.As with everything, if its been looked after its great, if you buy one thats been neglected, then bolt loads of bits on and ask 100bhp over standard out of it things break. genuine nissan parts arn't cheap though!

Thanks for the answer Mr Walker

£200 is really cheap!! did you have to rebuild or replace any parts?

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25-04-2008, 10:05	#41 (permalink)
TomB tail slider Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Swindon Posts: 123	SR20DET, (Singer Rebuild) Built after Nissan Japan struck a long lasting partnership with Singer Corporation to supply components for its new powerplant found in models such as PS13 Silvia/180SX S14/S14A Silvia etc. Singer were commissioned to supply primarily "Rocker Arms" amongst other minor components. It was later realised that the "Cam on bucket" valvetrain, as found in the CA18DET Engine was far superior, yet the deal had been done and the inferior engine was forced into production, much to the dismay of drivers around the world

25-04-2008, 10:14	#42 (permalink)
cefiro_drifta mad pointing munkey Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: surrey Posts: 11,309	fricking lifestylers, who givers a frick if an sr sounds shit , as long as it performs then thats all i care about. OH noes my car wont drift coz its got an engine that sounds shit , best get an 1jz in it to sounds nice and then it will be able to drift FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK as for the CA - better than a fricking RB for reliability thats for sure .... u can run a CA with only 1/3 of the required oil in it for AGGGGGEEESSSS with no drama's , have 300ml less than the reqired level in an RB and it shits itself. I have had 5 s13's with CA's , 3 have had over 150k on the original bigends and everything else and was happy to be abused, the other one was perfect for 12 months with nothing wrong with it with over 120k on it and the last one had the bigends knocking for at least a year and still went like a rocket with no problems...

25-04-2008, 12:09	#48 (permalink)
Stavros DEYTUKURJURBS Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire Posts: 9,254	"Although I give no technical reasoning for my arguments, my small experience of possibly badly tuned and built engines wasnt good, so they are all shit, even ones mapped and built properly"

25-04-2008, 12:13	#49 (permalink)
Andy_f Quad tone. Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Redditch/Birmingham Posts: 1,766	Thing is, you only ever hear the horror stories. Maybe if people posted about the abuse the CA can take like Mike did, people might think a bit differently. Just because you've had a couple of shitters Bizzle doesn't really mean you should be able to tar all of them with the same brush. Sure I'm no expert either, but my CA has stood up to 250-300hp for a year and a half now with no dramas, 120k on it. Watch me blow it up this weekend now.

25-04-2008, 12:15	#50 (permalink)
Hammond cantskid4shit Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canterbury Posts: 4,477	CA's are awesome. Like any engine as long as they are properly maintained and well cared for they will go on and on. Bizzle's just too posh for em Mine has done 165k regularly sits on the limiter and I have been using it EVERY day for over a year as well as attending regular drift days. I've never once had a problem with the engine due to 2k oil changes and warming up/cooling down. It's done two turbo's and a gearbox, but the CA is saaaaawwweetttt. So up yours bizzle

25-04-2008, 14:26	#51 (permalink)
TomB tail slider Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Swindon Posts: 123	Also not forgetting Noz from SXOC, 380bhp on a stock tired CA, regular drag, enough said

25-04-2008, 15:00	#53 (permalink)
cefiro_drifta mad pointing munkey Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: surrey Posts: 11,309	yeah my one had 197k on the original engine BUT it had £50k worth of Nissan Main dealer reciepts for the last 18 yrs and only ever had to change the turbo and clutch, was still on original gearbox and engine internals . Was serviced every 3k miles at nissan and every single thing was done at the main dealer. I sold it in October and i think it blew up as one of the injectors packed up and caused the other 3 to over compensate and bore wash the engine or something .... BUT saying that it was on the original injectors ..

25-04-2008, 15:34	#54 (permalink)
Teggers doughnutter Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Near Exeter. Ish. Sort of. I drive through it every day anyway. Posts: 56	Looks like the general consensus is that most people with experience of CA's (me included!) think they are great engines! In answer to the original question, Bigtone's is the most powerful one I know of. Roll on TOTB...

25-04-2008, 19:03	#58 (permalink)
doogie doughnutter Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 57	Please excuse my lack of knowledge,but just how cheap is a CA18 engine to buy?and are they any cheaper to tune then the SR20?

25-04-2008, 20:50	#59 (permalink)
neil a walker spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the shire Posts: 423	oh yes! ca's are back of the sofa money really. just got one for £200. Sr's are a little more to buy but not much more. The ca is a 20+ year old design engine now so its not really be as smooth or refined as a modern engine. but who wants refined?! As for cheap tuning theres 2 ways of doing it. robbing bits off other cars and improvising or buying lots of specialist tuner parts designed for it.As with everything, if its been looked after its great, if you buy one thats been neglected, then bolt loads of bits on and ask 100bhp over standard out of it things break. genuine nissan parts arn't cheap though!