Bmw E30 - Drifting forum

jammie654s13 · 10-05-2008, 00:20

ok folks i have been reading up on here and TD and have decieded that im going to get an E30 316 as my first car/ Skid car im only 17 and should have my full license by the end of next month

just looking for some pointers about these cars, eg what parts to buy where to buy to get it skidding ok for a complete beginner like me.

thank you

Andy.w · 10-05-2008, 00:30

cut the springs, weld the diff, one bucket seat

bobs ya uncle
fannys ya aunt
slim dicks ya brother..............sideways

learn how to drift with the 1.6 mate then when your ready go to scrap yard and get a 2.0 or 2.5 and your love it. dont forget to change the brakes too

steerfromtherear · 10-05-2008, 10:21

Change the brakes?
Pray for rain and book up a practice day, my 2 top tips.

Silverfang · 10-05-2008, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy.w

cut the springs, weld the diff, one bucket seat

bobs ya uncle
fannys ya aunt
slim dicks ya brother..............sideways

learn how to drift with the 1.6 mate then when your ready go to scrap yard and get a 2.0 or 2.5 and your love it. dont forget to change the brakes too

Cut springs i WOULDN'T! recommend, especially on a 316, the shock travel would be longer than the spring and you'd end up having the rear springs parting company if you cut too much out.

If you want decent suspension on the cheap, go hunt down a Touring / 318is / 325i Sport being broken for spares and have the springs and shocks off that. Dirt cheap at about the same price as new lowering springs, but providing the shocks are good (they usually are since they were Bilstien inserts from the factory!

) you'll have a realitively good handling car outta the box

jammie654s13 · 10-05-2008, 11:36

ok cheers for the replys. how far should i go with stripping it out? and would it be a good idea to put a decentish exhaust and air filter to get a bit more power or is that a no?

I will keep the 1.6 for a while then put the 325 engine in after i have learned how to skid.

Papercutout · 10-05-2008, 11:49

Exhaust - just chop it and make it as straight through as poss.
Don't bother with an air filter, won't really make any difference.

As for stripping out - its a 316, so EVERYTHING! Boot carpet, rear carpet, both seats and fit 1 bucket.

Are you getting a 316 or a 316i?

jammie654s13 · 10-05-2008, 11:51

it will all depend on prices and availibility when it come time for me to buy it. What would be better the 316 or the 316I and whats the difference

Papercutout · 10-05-2008, 13:53

316 is obviously not injection, which makes swapping the engine for a big 325 a lot more hassle, but it IS a 1.8 carb engine instead, so is bigger and a bit more powerful, but less economical.
You'd be better off with a 318 straight or as I told you before, get a 2.0 DOHC sierra.

Minishonk · 10-05-2008, 14:48

would love to see the insurance price on a 2.0 for a 17 year old even if it is classed as a shitter

jammie654s13 · 10-05-2008, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minishonk

would love to see the insurance price on a 2.0 for a 17 year old even if it is classed as a shitter

At leaset someone understands my point of view thats exactly why im getting the 316

Jimthejunior · 10-05-2008, 18:47

It still won't be cheap but meh. I got engines here if your wanting powers. I got a 316i touring at present ok in the rain, very difficult in the dry.

Minishonk · 10-05-2008, 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by jammie654s13

At leaset someone understands my point of view thats exactly why im getting the 316

only 19 myself mate i remember the days of rapeness when you get all your money together go buy your first car. i had a 106 1.0 and the cheapest i could get insurance was £1400 per year 3rd party not even fire and theft

over twice i paid for the car!!

good luck though!! im 19 now and paying £1000 for 7 months on a 1.5 vvti ignis sport which is quick enough for a road car and comfy aswell

and when i was 18 it was £1000 a year for a 1.7 volvo340

best car i have owned by far such a giggle

MJG · 10-05-2008, 21:54

316 carb, to fit a 2.5 engine you change the usual engine/box/rad etc, then just swap fuel tanks (easiest) with the fuel lines from the injection car too (and pump, obviously). Then the wiring is already there it just needs extending a bit so cut the wiring plug from the injection donor car too.

Swapping fuel tanks etc is easy, and you'll have the propshaft and exhaust off changing engines anyway so it's only 5 bolts IIRC. I did it and was 2 short days of work including (IIRC) removing the 2.5 engine from donor car.

It's great as now if I wanted to, I could do a few basic jobs to satisfy mr. MOT man to make my car road legal, and I could drive it as a 316 for pennies, despite it now being a 3.5 lol.

Joshy · 10-05-2008, 22:39

From my research, Quin direct have the cheapest insurance quotes for first time drivers in E30s (they're half the price of what everyone else wanted to charge me), but you qualify for their policies the car has to be under 20 years older and have an engine no bigger than 1600cc, so that rules a carb'd 316 out on both counts.

And if you haven't already, you should start considering Tourings - They have better weight distro (I heard it was 51/49 as opposed to 56/44 or something) , rot less than saloons/coupes, come with all round discs, 51mm struts, thicker ARBs, are the youngest e30s on the market (they made them until 94 if I remember correctly), are slightly cheaper to insure and have PLENTY of space for spare drifty wheels in the back.

Corey_XR4I · 10-05-2008, 22:50

Well ive just aranged mine m8, speak to you properly about it on msn but here is a jist of it....

Getting a mk2 Fiesta 1.3 blah blah blah, on dads policy but i still get NCB and so does he £742 a year....cool or what

steerfromtherear · 10-05-2008, 22:50

They are generally better specced and better condition but they do weigh about 120kgs more iirc so not the best option with a small engined 316i.
325i tourings are so cool I had two.

jammie654s13 · 10-05-2008, 23:58

Edit:MJG YHPM

jammie654s13 · 11-05-2008, 13:29

so how much would it cost to put the 2.5 engine into a 316i as i don't really know how much the engines and boxes go for?

1an · 11-05-2008, 13:58

my conversion cost me £50 as my dad donated the 2.5 engine and everything to me so all i had to get was a few bits and pieces,

but you will be looking tops of £500 realisticly

and i used to drift my e30 316

Joshy · 11-05-2008, 14:12

You'd probably be best off buying a donor 325i, taking what you need and weighting in what's left, particularly if you're swapping the 325i engine into a non touring 316i.

You'll rarely will you see engines are gearboxes go for much less than £200, and then I'd budget another £100 onto of that for the rad, prop, diff etc. That's not to say you aren't find bargains - A Guy on E30zone was selling everything you require for the swap for just 100 quid.

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jammie654s13 Dorifto! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyndrum-up in Scotchland Posts: 1,035	Bmw E30 ok folks i have been reading up on here and TD and have decieded that im going to get an E30 316 as my first car/ Skid car im only 17 and should have my full license by the end of next month just looking for some pointers about these cars, eg what parts to buy where to buy to get it skidding ok for a complete beginner like me. thank you

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10-05-2008, 00:30	#2 (permalink)
Andy.w PROJECT E36 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Slough, Berkshire Posts: 463	cut the springs, weld the diff, one bucket seat bobs ya uncle fannys ya aunt slim dicks ya brother..............sideways learn how to drift with the 1.6 mate then when your ready go to scrap yard and get a 2.0 or 2.5 and your love it. dont forget to change the brakes too

10-05-2008, 10:21	#3 (permalink)
steerfromtherear dorifto kingu! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,080	Change the brakes? Pray for rain and book up a practice day, my 2 top tips.

10-05-2008, 11:36	#5 (permalink)
jammie654s13 Dorifto! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyndrum-up in Scotchland Posts: 1,035	ok cheers for the replys. how far should i go with stripping it out? and would it be a good idea to put a decentish exhaust and air filter to get a bit more power or is that a no? I will keep the 1.6 for a while then put the 325 engine in after i have learned how to skid.

10-05-2008, 11:49	#6 (permalink)
Papercutout dorifto kingu! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nr. Oxford Posts: 629	Exhaust - just chop it and make it as straight through as poss. Don't bother with an air filter, won't really make any difference. As for stripping out - its a 316, so EVERYTHING! Boot carpet, rear carpet, both seats and fit 1 bucket. Are you getting a 316 or a 316i?

10-05-2008, 11:51	#7 (permalink)
jammie654s13 Dorifto! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyndrum-up in Scotchland Posts: 1,035	it will all depend on prices and availibility when it come time for me to buy it. What would be better the 316 or the 316I and whats the difference

10-05-2008, 13:53	#8 (permalink)
Papercutout dorifto kingu! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nr. Oxford Posts: 629	316 is obviously not injection, which makes swapping the engine for a big 325 a lot more hassle, but it IS a 1.8 carb engine instead, so is bigger and a bit more powerful, but less economical. You'd be better off with a 318 straight or as I told you before, get a 2.0 DOHC sierra.

10-05-2008, 14:48	#9 (permalink)
Minishonk Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: B98 Posts: 2,339	would love to see the insurance price on a 2.0 for a 17 year old even if it is classed as a shitter

10-05-2008, 18:47	#11 (permalink)
Jimthejunior Represent Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,290	It still won't be cheap but meh. I got engines here if your wanting powers. I got a 316i touring at present ok in the rain, very difficult in the dry.

10-05-2008, 21:54	#13 (permalink)
MJG Most wanted Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 9,481	316 carb, to fit a 2.5 engine you change the usual engine/box/rad etc, then just swap fuel tanks (easiest) with the fuel lines from the injection car too (and pump, obviously). Then the wiring is already there it just needs extending a bit so cut the wiring plug from the injection donor car too. Swapping fuel tanks etc is easy, and you'll have the propshaft and exhaust off changing engines anyway so it's only 5 bolts IIRC. I did it and was 2 short days of work including (IIRC) removing the 2.5 engine from donor car. It's great as now if I wanted to, I could do a few basic jobs to satisfy mr. MOT man to make my car road legal, and I could drive it as a 316 for pennies, despite it now being a 3.5 lol.

10-05-2008, 22:39	#14 (permalink)
Joshy touge runner Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South London Posts: 206	From my research, Quin direct have the cheapest insurance quotes for first time drivers in E30s (they're half the price of what everyone else wanted to charge me), but you qualify for their policies the car has to be under 20 years older and have an engine no bigger than 1600cc, so that rules a carb'd 316 out on both counts. And if you haven't already, you should start considering Tourings - They have better weight distro (I heard it was 51/49 as opposed to 56/44 or something) , rot less than saloons/coupes, come with all round discs, 51mm struts, thicker ARBs, are the youngest e30s on the market (they made them until 94 if I remember correctly), are slightly cheaper to insure and have PLENTY of space for spare drifty wheels in the back.

10-05-2008, 22:50	#15 (permalink)
Corey_XR4I dorifto kingu! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sunderland NE UK Posts: 920	Well ive just aranged mine m8, speak to you properly about it on msn but here is a jist of it.... Getting a mk2 Fiesta 1.3 blah blah blah, on dads policy but i still get NCB and so does he £742 a year....cool or what

10-05-2008, 22:50	#16 (permalink)
steerfromtherear dorifto kingu! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 3,080	They are generally better specced and better condition but they do weigh about 120kgs more iirc so not the best option with a small engined 316i. 325i tourings are so cool I had two.

11-05-2008, 13:29	#18 (permalink)
jammie654s13 Dorifto! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Tyndrum-up in Scotchland Posts: 1,035	so how much would it cost to put the 2.5 engine into a 316i as i don't really know how much the engines and boxes go for?

11-05-2008, 13:58	#19 (permalink)
1an doughnutter Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 60	my conversion cost me £50 as my dad donated the 2.5 engine and everything to me so all i had to get was a few bits and pieces, but you will be looking tops of £500 realisticly and i used to drift my e30 316

11-05-2008, 14:12	#20 (permalink)
Joshy touge runner Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South London Posts: 206	You'd probably be best off buying a donor 325i, taking what you need and weighting in what's left, particularly if you're swapping the 325i engine into a non touring 316i. You'll rarely will you see engines are gearboxes go for much less than £200, and then I'd budget another £100 onto of that for the rad, prop, diff etc. That's not to say you aren't find bargains - A Guy on E30zone was selling everything you require for the swap for just 100 quid.