Renting a drift car DWYB

[sambo]

Originally Posted by Stavros

400odd (300quid, plus 60 entry, plus 40 on travel/food/etc) is a fricking expensive day out in a basicly modified S14 skidding round some cones.

That's basically it, know your market...lets face it, 90% of the people who drift don't have a massive expendable income, and those that don't drift yet but just want a fun day out kicking the baws off a car can get a lot more for their money e.g. a day at Knockhill getting tuition and driving a Seat Cupra then onto a Ferrari 360 around an actual track costs less than £250. An extra £150 to fanny about around some cones in £1500 worth of 14 year old Nissan...

I do like the idea but it just doesn't seem do-able, especially if you're not going to let people clutch kick it and do it properly. Be as well using an auto then nobody can kick the clutch

[observer]

The entry for one driver is £60 from Pod--not negotiable. So it would need to be a tad more than £90 for the use of the car, I would say.

It removes the hassle factor of trailering a car there, no wear & tear on your own car, one set of rear tyres too. The good thing is, that it is bringing out ideas and a positive attitude by discussion. Probably needs to be closer to £190 for the day.


Allan

[cookwibble]

190 all in for the day is probably do-able

[observer]

Originally Posted by sambo

Be as well using an auto then nobody can kick the clutch

Now that is a great idea. As for track days, I know about those as I provide track day technical support for:-

Porsche 996 Turbo "S"
Porsche 996 GT3 Cup Car
Jaguar "C" Type
Porsche Cayman "S"
Subaru Impreza STi

All of them are out at Silverstone tomorrow, a full day in the sun.

The driving days referred at Knockhill are usually watered down affairs, with rev limits imposed in old shit boxes like 355 & early 360 Ferarri's and the "rally cars" at Knockhill are Sierra 2 litres not exactly cutting edge stuff. I did a day their 2 or 3 years ago and the best car IMHO was the MG-F as it had a wonderful chassis.

Allan

[sambo]

Yeah I avoided mentioning the Sierra's... they look like complete dogs! Fair point on the rev limits etc, I was more thinking about it from the promotion side of things when it's aimed at the average non-drift punter - 10 mins of track time in a shiny red Ferrari is a lot easier to sell than 8 hours in an S14 in a big car park type area.

If you're aiming it at the "drifters" (sorry, I hate saying that) that have broken/sold cars, what about some sort of cost per minute/laps (like 20 quid for a few laps, wouldn't take long), and whore it out to several people throughout the day? If it was a sensible enough price you might even end up with the car being taken out by different folk constantly all day. Just a thought

[observer]

Sambo
Good ideas on the multiples. Sadly Pod want £60 per head for DWYB to cover insurance, track prep etc. It has been gone over on previous threads about car sharing etc, so many bums on seat wont work economically if each has to pay £60 just to be there.


Allan

[observer]

Sambo
Where abouts in Glasvegas are you ? I am from near Coatbridge


Allan

[sambo]

Ah I see, forgot about the charge... I'm thinking about it on Crail terms where its like a fiver or a tenner to get on the oval. I'm in East Kilbride, the other roundabout city!

[observer]

My 1st GF was from East Kilbride. Met her in South Africa. Then met & married a girl from Eaglesham [met her in SA too] ! Wierd.

Now living in the English roundabout city.


Allan

[T.J.]

I had the same idea a few days ago. Odd....

[bizz]

Scotty from skylinepart did this already. Was £450 for the day with all tyres and mech support that is reqd. Between three of you its not too steep and still get a fair bit of seat time!! well as long as one of the three drivers doesnt stack it into a wall!!!! it was an s13 and was great to just knock around in and get a feel for drifting

[gtst lad]

£250 a day including damage waiver would work

[TwinturboCH]

Originally Posted by docwra

As for not clutch kicking ............. wtf? How are you supposed to drift without clutch kicking evaaaah

I didn't even start clutch kicking until last year, so thats a silly thing to say LOL
Clutch kicking is for newbs who can't create a slide any other way or if you've made a massive mistake and need to recover, it's just a cheat, so no reason to do it.

I'm going to start doing this once my second car is finished, it will be £250-300 for a full days instruction, all expenses included, but we will run the day with at least TWO customers.

The £199 drift days are 1) in MX5's 2) there are 4-5 people there for the day and 3) average instruction.

For the £300, you'd get 1) 300bhp turbo S14 drift car 2) MAXIMUM of 3 people there 3) PRO level instruction and 4) unlimited fuel and tyres (some people will kill lots, others will kill less)

To get a day of professional race instruction is nigh on £1000, so really, it's quite cheap.

If people think that £250-£300 for a day in a 300bhp drift car being taught by a top level Pro driver is expensive, then that is their problem. Realistically, even if you buy a car for £3000, it is YOURS and therefore when it breaks it's YOU that has to pay for it to be fixed.

But then I'm not aiming my market at people who want to 'tramp drift' i'm aiming it at people who want to get into drift and want to know both what it is like AND whether or not they are any good. To do that you need a proper drift car, not a scabby n/a roadster with a diff lol

It might work, it might not, but to be honest I don't think Driftworks is the place to find customers.

[observer]

I dont think anyone will give a damage waiver for avoidable stuff. i.e over revs or putting it in the wall etc.

Would fit a lower rev limiter to avoid over revs where poss.


Allan

[TwinturboCH]

Originally Posted by observer

I dont think anyone will give a damage waiver for avoidable stuff. i.e over revs or putting it in the wall etc.

Would fit a lower rev limiter to avoid over revs where poss.


Allan

If you are renting a drift car, you have to be prepared for them to hit the limiter A LOT. You can't charge for damage, you just say that if they break it, thats the day over.

[Phil]

Allan, you're asking the wrong people . It would be quite an attractive option to someone wondering if they want to get in to drifting, and just looking for a first go.
The people you are asking here already have drift cars so it's no use to them.

I think you'd have to make a few more changes to a standard car to make it worthwhile at £300 though. At least coilovers and camber arms so you don't rape your included tyres.

[topi]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCH

I didn't even start clutch kicking until last year, so thats a silly thing to say LOL
Clutch kicking is for newbs who can't create a slide any other way or if you've made a massive mistake and need to recover, it's just a cheat, so no reason to do it.

Hahahahahahaa....


Hahahaha

Edit: Need a few more ha's in there.

...Pahahaha

[docwra]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCH

I didn't even start clutch kicking until last year, so thats a silly thing to say LOL
Clutch kicking is for newbs who can't create a slide any other way or if you've made a massive mistake and need to recover, it's just a cheat, so no reason to do it.

Seriously?? You induce a drift on a wet roundabout just using power and weight shift?

Youre either brave or fcuking mad IMO. How do you come off a wand entry without slipping the clutch??

[topi]

Maybe by talking crap

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by Phil

Allan, you're asking the wrong people .

This forum is full of drifters, and drifters are are f**king cheap.

I don't think £200 for a days rental with some partworns chucked in is bad.

£150 if you use your own tyres and fuel or something. Damage deposit would be a good idea.

You could go and buy a car for that, and throw it away after, but is that not a massive ballache? and what would you get for that money? a real shabby stock 1.8 sierra or a 316 E30? would it last the day? perhaps. Would it be as good as an S14 with a locked diff and the geometry set right, that is actually looked after and kept serviced? Plus you have to go collect it, bring it to the day at least, and probably take it home unless you arrange a scrap guy to take it away at the end of the day?

And whats all the off topic crap, of course you can skid on the street without clutching. Especially if you have Hudsonator powers. Its just down to individual style.