Renting a drift car DWYB

[docwra]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

And whats all the off topic crap, of course you can skid on the street without clutching. Especially if you have Hudsonator powers. Its just down to individual style.

But he's saying he never clutch kicked until last year and that its "silly" to consider it. Im not Tanaguchi by a long shot but my feeling is its freekin essential, particularly in thw two examples I gave

Fair comment on the Hudsonator powerz though - if it was anyone else that Id have struck down upon them with a sword of righteous bullshit bane. And some Cillit Bang.

[royal]

300 squids for a full days driving in a good drift car is fairly reasonable IMO. It wouldn't be attractive in a boggo standard tramp car but for a proper car its pretty good. All the other activities that people are mentioning give you very little seat time where as a day at a good DWYB would give you a full day of seat time. To get pro level tuition as well would be a big bonus. My personal choice would always be to go out and get a shitter but I'm sure there's plenty of people out there that arn't that commited and would rather spend £300 on a decent car and tuition for some sessions before deciding what to do. I think this will become more common as drifting gets taken more seriously by the motorsports fraternity as well.

[GmasterT]

why the specs? why would the kind of person looking to rent a car need a specced 14 to learn the basics of skidding or not?

outlay is too high for what needs to be a cut spring, weldered S12/E30 or the like for reliable douhnut pens newby basics.

300 quid motor, 300 mods (wand, seat) and 40-50 full day charge with 5er per 15inch tyre you will never get through. Bit like the driftskool ones but with a bit more thought on the set up and instruction

edit: the only people needing more than that will want to save money getting there own cars sorted

[royal]

Because (IMO at any rate) the sort of person who is prepared to spend money on hiring a car for a drift day is not going to want a tramper that they can buy for £300 anyhow. People who are able and prepared to spend £2-300 to hire a car will want a decent drift car not a tramper.
I can see people in a couple of situations who would want to spend money on hiring a car for days like this:
1) Near beginners with a few quid to spare who want to try drifting, who wouldn't be particuarly interested in driving a shonky tramper. Also its harder to drift trampers.
2) Fairly experienced drifters who need a car because there's has broken or is unavailable.

The inbetween people who are commited to the sport and understand the value of trampers will already have one of their own and wont want to pay money to hire when when they could use it to buy another!

[GmasterT]

Originally Posted by royal

Because (IMO at any rate) the sort of person who is prepared to spend money on hiring a car for a drift day is not going to want a tramper that they can buy for £300 anyhow. People who are able and prepared to spend £2-300 to hire a car will want a decent drift car not a tramper.
I can see people in a couple of situations who would want to spend money on hiring a car for days like this:
1) Near beginners with a few quid to spare who want to try drifting, who wouldn't be particuarly interested in driving a shonky tramper. Also its harder to drift trampers.
2) Fairly experienced drifters who need a car because there's has broken or is unavailable.

The inbetween people who are commited to the sport and understand the value of trampers will already have one of their own and wont want to pay money to hire when when they could use it to buy another!

1, why? when they will not be using near 50% of its abilities to nearly crash and overpowered waste of rubber usage which canb be rented at 'shitter' rates anyway. (you can make them look smart enough)

2, why? when 9/10 will not have a working drift car due to funds anyway.

Barking up the wrong tree mate, dont want to sound like a cock, but I know a bit about the DWYB scene and the like

[royal]

Don't think you're a cock just my opinion. I just don't see rent-a-shitter as a viable market for the sort of money you will need to charge to make it worthwhile. What I say above is my opinion for renting a drift car in general as much as just for a DWYB day I guess. I suppose if you are already linked up with the DWYB days you could make it more financially viable but otherwise for me personally as an independent business I think you'd be selling your time and effort for very little pay back after expenses such as a tank of fuel, insurance, venue fees,wear and tear, etc. Not saying it can't be done, just that I don't think you'll make much money out of it which at the end of the day is what a business is for. The novelty of providing a service soon wears off if you are not making decent money.

[Mitch]

If you could get a decent deal with Pod, then the split between a few drivers may get you the money you want.

[TwinturboCH]

Originally Posted by docwra

Seriously?? You induce a drift on a wet roundabout just using power and weight shift?

Youre either brave or fcuking mad IMO. How do you come off a wand entry without slipping the clutch??

It's called matching the revs, and it's not hard.

Originally Posted by topi

Maybe by talking crap

Come drift against me and see what happens ask anyone who comes out with me lots, I don't even clutch kick my 180bhp volvo, it's called balance and control, something you obviously have no clue about

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

And whats all the off topic crap, of course you can skid on the street without clutching. Especially if you have Hudsonator powers. Its just down to individual style.

I'm talking about in the ovlov, you've never been out drifting with me, so stop making assumptions It might well be about style, but one style is correct, the other is a cheat

Originally Posted by docwra

Fair comment on the Hudsonator powerz though - if it was anyone else that Id have struck down upon them with a sword of righteous bullshit bane. And some Cillit Bang.

LOL what about the ovlov? That has NO powerz

I'm deadly serious, clutch kicking is a crude way to induce a slide and is massively unsympathetic mechanically. Do you think i made my RPS clutch and standard gearbox last two full years by clutch kicking it? I think not. It's the reason I go through one clutch/gearbox every two years even with 500bhp, whereas clutch kickers go through a gearbox every six months.

Ask any old-school professional driver, they manage to hold their cars on the oversteer limit the entire time, again, it's called balance and control, without it, you will never be a pro drifter, drifting isn't drifting, drifting is racing but you keep the car in heavy oversteer rather than keeping it straight, it still requires the same skillset, and thats why all these racers (mark Jonston (sp), tony green, Kris Meek etc etc) come into the sport and rock, it's just pushing the car OVER the limit rather than holding it AT the limit. Good racers will always make good drifters with the right tuition, the same cannot always be said of drifters making good racers.

Sorry if you don't believe me, but come out in my car and I'll prove it The ONLY time i clutch kick is, again, a cheat. It's when i want to take a slow corner in third gear, sometimes it'll need a pop to get it above 3krpm, but like i said, it's a cheat, if I was doing it properly, I'd do it in second and then upshift, doing it in third is just me getting lazy.



Back on topic, the point of the above was, that if I was renting out a car and teaching people, I'd be teaching them about balance and car control FIRST, before I teach them to drift, that would mean that a) once they get the hang of it they will learn faster and atain a higher level of skills b) I won't have to worry about killing the rental cars clutch and c) they won't have to worry about breaking their own car if they decide to take drifting up properly afterwards. This is because you might well eventually learn to hold a donut/skid, but without an understanding of car control, you will never progress.

[mazdachris]

Maybe another way to approach it would be to have, say, a £100 charge for the day's car rental which includes nothing more than the car itself, with the driver having to provide fuel and tyres, and say a £200 extra deposit to cover anything that breaks. If the car works good all day, then you've made a hundred quid and give the driver the deposit back. If the driver breaks it, then you keep the deposit.

Sounds fairer, and more likely to encourage people not to drive it like they stole it.

[GmasterT]

Any, this was a rent a dwyb car not another James is awesome thread

I was just trying to focus your market. You will make money if you dont outlay too much, but you will never make a million out of it, even with a bonafide s14.

And clutch kicking is awesome if you have lots of grips and not a lot of power

[TwinturboCH]

Originally Posted by GmasterT

Any, this was a rent a dwyb car not another James is awesome thread

Well gee, thanks

LOL

Originally Posted by GmasterT

I was just trying to focus your market. You will make money if you dont outlay too much, but you will never make a million out of it, even with a bonafide s14.

Same here, his costs will be lower if he doesn't have to worry about the clutch

Originally Posted by GmasterT

And clutch kicking is awesome if you have lots of grips and not a lot of power

Balls LOL go in faster and get on the throttle earlier left foot braking and weight transfer and all that

[mazdachris]

I would have thought there was an argument for having two different cars of different specs. A basic, cheapo spec S13 for novices, and a nice spec S14 for drift gods like me who just happen to have broken cars.

Cheap spec S13 doesn't have to be trampy or tatty, it can be in reasonable condition just with basic modifications for reliability and drivability.

Otherwise you're talking about a 300bhp S14 with an auto gearbox and a low rev limit, which sounds... a bit unusual.

But hey, what do I know about anything anyway, I'm crap at skidding and drive a standard power roadster. And I do clutch kicks...

[TwinturboCH]

Originally Posted by mazdachris

But hey, what do I know about anything anyway, I'm crap at skidding and drive a standard power roadster. And I do clutch kicks...

So shut up then ......








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Seriously though, whats the point of having a nice spec s14 for skidders with broken cars, it'll work out too expensive for people to bother, it would have to be £400+ per day in a nice spec s14, for that money, the person with the broken car could probably get theirs fixed. The only market for this kind of idea is complete novices who are just getting into the sport and want to try it without buying/building their own drift-spec car. For that you need a basic tuned S14, 250bhp, clutch, wand, diff, rear arms, coilovers, job done. Will last ages and be cheap to sort if the engines blow.

[docwra]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCH

LOL what about the ovlov? That has NO powerz

I meant your driving skills, not the heap that you are doing it in

Good explanation matey - I do know what you mean but I think it takes a lot of practise to be able to drive like that all the time. I find that I tend to understeer when trying to drive without clutch kicking where I usually would .......... but then Im not as good as you am I

[mazdachris]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCH

Seriously though, whats the point of having a nice spec s14 for skidders with broken cars

I totally agree. If my car was broken, I think I’d be spending my £400 on fixing it, rather than on driving someone else’s car for the day. I’m not sure who it was that mentioned it as a standby for people with broken cars, I thought that was part of the idea.

But to be honest I wouldn’t have said that noobs (speaking as one myself) need anything as high specced as that, bearing in mind that at best they’re going to spend the day doing first and second gear figure 8s and kidneys etc. I would have thought just a half decent suspension setup (basic dampers/springs, maybe arms and neutral alignment) plus basic cooling/reliability mods on the engine, would be plenty for learners. I know it’d be plenty for me to have a fun day doing skids, in fact even at that spec it’d seem miles more capable than the car I’ve invested thousands into anyway.

[royal]

Originally Posted by TwinturboCH

For that you need a basic tuned S14, 250bhp, clutch, wand, diff, rear arms, coilovers, job done. Will last ages and be cheap to sort if the engines blow.

Erm, when I say nice spec car, thats exactly what I mean. For me a reasonable power hike and good enough suspension addons to get it lowered and properly setup IS a good spec (and is as good a spec as my ability requires/can match just now). I suppose it sounded mis-leading when I was talking 'high spec' earlier in this thread.

[topi]

James man, I respect what you're saying and respect your driving. But theres not a chance in hell, that you or anybody could do a full lap of Teesside in my old 2.0 twincam Sierra without clutch kicking for example. Not on about starting slides, but carrying them on and connecting things up.
If that makes sense?

[GmasterT]

I'm fairly sure Bon uses clutch kicking, maybe thats the missing link

[superclarkey]

There are people out there would pay this for sure, even tho people are saying £200 will get you a day in a car with an instructor, anyone that has done one of these days will tell you, you don't get that much driving really.

I think its a good idea, i know people that would happly pay along them lines to go and give it a go, and there plenty of people around to help out to learn,

with that said remember your asking the question on a forum were everyone one here has a drift car and understand the in/out, there are people out there that think the only S14 you can buy will set you back £7k plus the mods, so £300 for a day of skiding with a car that is not going to really brake as jamie can fix anything i think is good.

p.s people on driftworks are broke-ass mofos

Clarkey.

[stillsideways]

Bike race schools are around £300 for the day which actually doesnt last all day as newcomers get tired very quickly from learning! Im already doing something along the lines of this for some clients that are interested in it!....your not trying to sell it on here to the people who know about it but new comers to the sport! I approached aa major computer company for £500 and they were well happy as cheaper than the horses so i add vat :-).....Do it! help the sport reach the masses