different drift cars?? (old skool ford) - Drifting forum

aaronblue · 11-10-2009, 19:31

Hi, I know its been done to death but im selling my s14a and im wanting to replace it with something retro. im wanting an old skool ford but i cant afford the typical mk1/2 escorts.I want something different so i was thinking a mk2 cortina 2/4dr or a 100e popular as they are a lot cheaper. i was just wandering if anyone has used them or if they think they would be sutible. i have been told that the 100e wheelbase is to short but i cant see it being any shorter then the old kp61 starlet and i know stig drifted one and from what i remember he did an ace job in it (please correct me if im wrong).But if anyone could shed some light on the short wheelbase thing or anything else that would be great.

kind regards Aaron

Volvo_tom · 11-10-2009, 19:56

reliant scimitar? mgb v8?

there was a thread on this where captain muppet showed a load of wheelbase sizes and short wheel base made no difference.

aaronblue · 11-10-2009, 20:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volvo_tom

reliant scimitar? mgb v8?

there was a thread on this where captain muppet showed a load of wheelbase sizes and short wheel base made no difference.

cheers fella i want to stay ford really as my father in law is a specialist in classic ford parts but il search for that thread now. good t know about the wheelbase making know difference tho. thanks again mate.

revlimit · 11-10-2009, 20:11

dont the scimitar use ford engines, gearboxes and other ford stuff

Volvo_tom · 11-10-2009, 20:12

2.8 or 2.9 v6 iirc but im possitive it was a ford engine!

Corey_XR4I · 11-10-2009, 21:15

it was the cologne engine wasnt it? same as xr4i....

Id love a bash at a mk1 Cortina, nice wheel base on them and nice engine bay to fit whatever you like

,,,,shame they are rape monies

Skylineadam · 11-10-2009, 21:17

Ford Anglia would be sweet as!! But also ROFL

Day · 11-10-2009, 21:50

The early scimitar used a ford straight 6 i believe, then the essex then the cologne. Late SS's and various other plastic 80's reliants used CA's although i think it was the DE not the 16v.

I wouldnt try drifting a 100e. I owned one myself, with a 2.1 pinto, 5 speed and all the usual extras. It was too snappy and it just was never right. It would cost a lot of money to make one worth drifting. A 105e would be a better choice as its a better suited chassis and takes Escort parts easier. Awesome car nontheless and id love another. You can drift one though but it will take a lot of time to find the right setup.

My MK1 and MK2 cortinas both drifted very well in the wet. The mk2 in particular, with its lotus steelies and low profiles. It only had GT spec suspension but it was stiff enough. The 1300 let it down but a well built Crossflow or even a pinto would be plenty to drift with in the dry with a welder/ slipper. Most escort stuff goes on cortinas too, and theres a big enough engine bay to put all sorts of engines in there.

A mk2 Escort 4 door is a cheap enough way to do it, and will be the easiest aswell, as pretty much every upgrade imaginable is available off the shelf. With a Pop or anglia you will be spending on lots of fabrication to do anything major in the engine bay whereas an escort has everything availible ready to go without much fab work, from crossflows to zetec turbo's, 24v cossies to the mighty YB.

CrabsterDrift · 12-10-2009, 02:05

there is a lad from Whitby Motor Club uses a 4 door cortina (mk5?) in autotesting... to be honest, by the problems he has with his, i'd say, don't bother with one

since he started using it as his monthly autotest car (only doing all forward tests, no reversing) he has never finished a full day, maybe about 8 runs tops this season.
Problems ranging from diff (welded), gearbox, clutch, and whatever else can go wrong with a car of its age

Of course im sure as long as it has had a go history and is in a good enough condition it should not act as nasty as Phil's does. (i do not know anything about the car apart from it breaking all the time)

mk1 + mk2 cortina's i have been told are excellent, and i know that the 100e is amazing (check video)... I had a passenger ride in it when the national championships came here to Hartlepool.

The best one i have seen so far since i started autotesting is a Ford Escort mk3 Gartrac... Such an amazing car is this

LSD, 2.1 Pinto Engine, stripped to the bone (even got a go kart seat in) and it really is fun to drive

YouTube - 100E Autotest

YouTube - hartlepool auto test

Mike@TDSW · 12-10-2009, 06:05

I know where there is a mk3 gartrac shell for sale. Solid but in need of work. Was on its way to look like a series 1 rst until he ran out of workshop.

sjpearless · 12-10-2009, 08:22

Omg oldskools are far superior to noob mobils. I love taking my kp for a drift up. I got full escort running gear. 2.1 pinto. LSD English axel and it takes such a beating. Why do yiu think they still use all the buts for rallying cos the parts are built to last. Plus a well built pinto is bullet proof. Even if it breaks you can literally fix it with a 13mm spanner and a screwdriver. Boxes are cheap and internals ain't that expensive in reality compared to most.

Plus you look ten times more gangster skidding a oldie about. I have taken people out in mine and they live the sound the feel and smells. Lol. 200sx are boring to drift. Yiu want summit that's gonna scare you.

And I find the short wheelbase fine. Little snappy but just makesure you got tons of lock.

Plus have a look at Talbot sunbeams. Vauxhall chevettes kadettes etc. You can literally throw escort running gear in them and a pinto.

aaronblue · 12-10-2009, 08:42

cheers for all the advice people. im still thinking 100e as to c one blasting sideways on a DWYB day would be

and bring some laughs. as for fabrication and parts thats not a problem as the father in law is a specialist in classic fords building them and supplying parts. i was thinking a good 1600 x-flow with some nice twin 40's but would that be enough power??

sjpearless · 12-10-2009, 09:41

A 100e would be awsome. Me and my dad just bought one. Gonna keep it standard. My friend has had a 2.1 pop and it was badass.

If you 4 link the rear end and run some escort coilovers up front. Yiu will easily get the right suspension set up needed. A my friend has a crossflow and I don't think it has the bottom end grunt needed that you can get from a pinto. Yiu spend 1800 on a budget crossflow yiu will get 140 bhp ish spend the same on a pinto and yiu will get 180bhp.

aaronblue · 12-10-2009, 16:19

talking to the father in law i may as well go straight for a 2.0 pinto mild cam decent exhaust and some twin 40's. happy days lol

Day · 12-10-2009, 18:04

Pinto every time for drifting, you need the low end grunt that a crossflow will never ever have.

Go for it with the Pop though. I got mine to a stage where if i didnt 4-link it it was a waste, as i wanted to put an SR in it. So i nstead i got rid and bought something faster to start with. but if Fab isnt a problem, youll be fine.

Id love to see a sorted 100e skidding though. Heres mine for a CF shoot. Its not much to look at but it was pretty nippy. It looked a lot better by the time id finished with it aswell. If it comes out massive i apologise.

aaronblue · 12-10-2009, 18:16

that my friend is amazing!!!

mossy · 12-10-2009, 20:01

If i didnt have my mk2 escort, i would either have a manta or vauxhall chevette!

the stig · 13-10-2009, 19:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Volvo_tom

reliant scimitar? mgb v8?

there was a thread on this where captain muppet showed a load of wheelbase sizes and short wheel base made no difference.

maybe not on 2nd gear stuff..........try the 100mph entrys required at EDC level and tel me short wheel base makes no difference!!!!!!!!!!
absolute borrox.

oldskooler · 13-10-2009, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by the stig

maybe not on 2nd gear stuff..........try the 100mph entrys required at EDC level and tel me short wheel base makes no difference!!!!!!!!!!
absolute borrox.

well said bud, thats why i didnt arch/widen my escort as everyone said i should have. would have effectively shortened the wheelbase!!

oldskooler · 13-10-2009, 21:34

capris are cheap compared to escorts and often overlooked. i reckon with the right mods one id drift well. couple of impressive ones in norway. the longer wheelbase with sorted suspension would have to work well id imagine.

11-10-2009, 19:31	#1 (permalink)
aaronblue dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the deepest depths of the Forest of Dean Posts: 554	different drift cars?? (old skool ford) Hi, I know its been done to death but im selling my s14a and im wanting to replace it with something retro. im wanting an old skool ford but i cant afford the typical mk1/2 escorts.I want something different so i was thinking a mk2 cortina 2/4dr or a 100e popular as they are a lot cheaper. i was just wandering if anyone has used them or if they think they would be sutible. i have been told that the 100e wheelbase is to short but i cant see it being any shorter then the old kp61 starlet and i know stig drifted one and from what i remember he did an ace job in it (please correct me if im wrong).But if anyone could shed some light on the short wheelbase thing or anything else that would be great. kind regards Aaron

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11-10-2009, 19:56	#2 (permalink)
Volvo_tom RIVERSIDE! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: King's lynn Posts: 293	reliant scimitar? mgb v8? there was a thread on this where captain muppet showed a load of wheelbase sizes and short wheel base made no difference.

11-10-2009, 20:11	#4 (permalink)
revlimit Media Click Yo! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Quedgeley, Gloucester Posts: 1,563	dont the scimitar use ford engines, gearboxes and other ford stuff

11-10-2009, 20:12	#5 (permalink)
Volvo_tom RIVERSIDE! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: King's lynn Posts: 293	2.8 or 2.9 v6 iirc but im possitive it was a ford engine!

11-10-2009, 21:15	#6 (permalink)
Corey_XR4I XR4I 24V FTW Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sunderland NE UK Posts: 4,070	it was the cologne engine wasnt it? same as xr4i.... Id love a bash at a mk1 Cortina, nice wheel base on them and nice engine bay to fit whatever you like ,,,,shame they are rape monies

11-10-2009, 21:17	#7 (permalink)
Skylineadam -WorkingClassHeroes- Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kent/S.Ldn Posts: 570	Ford Anglia would be sweet as!! But also ROFL

11-10-2009, 21:50	#8 (permalink)
Day Wheel Whore Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wirral Posts: 544	The early scimitar used a ford straight 6 i believe, then the essex then the cologne. Late SS's and various other plastic 80's reliants used CA's although i think it was the DE not the 16v. I wouldnt try drifting a 100e. I owned one myself, with a 2.1 pinto, 5 speed and all the usual extras. It was too snappy and it just was never right. It would cost a lot of money to make one worth drifting. A 105e would be a better choice as its a better suited chassis and takes Escort parts easier. Awesome car nontheless and id love another. You can drift one though but it will take a lot of time to find the right setup. My MK1 and MK2 cortinas both drifted very well in the wet. The mk2 in particular, with its lotus steelies and low profiles. It only had GT spec suspension but it was stiff enough. The 1300 let it down but a well built Crossflow or even a pinto would be plenty to drift with in the dry with a welder/ slipper. Most escort stuff goes on cortinas too, and theres a big enough engine bay to put all sorts of engines in there. A mk2 Escort 4 door is a cheap enough way to do it, and will be the easiest aswell, as pretty much every upgrade imaginable is available off the shelf. With a Pop or anglia you will be spending on lots of fabrication to do anything major in the engine bay whereas an escort has everything availible ready to go without much fab work, from crossflows to zetec turbo's, 24v cossies to the mighty YB.

12-10-2009, 02:05	#9 (permalink)
CrabsterDrift the guy with the mx5 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Hartlepool, UK Posts: 731	there is a lad from Whitby Motor Club uses a 4 door cortina (mk5?) in autotesting... to be honest, by the problems he has with his, i'd say, don't bother with one since he started using it as his monthly autotest car (only doing all forward tests, no reversing) he has never finished a full day, maybe about 8 runs tops this season. Problems ranging from diff (welded), gearbox, clutch, and whatever else can go wrong with a car of its age Of course im sure as long as it has had a go history and is in a good enough condition it should not act as nasty as Phil's does. (i do not know anything about the car apart from it breaking all the time) mk1 + mk2 cortina's i have been told are excellent, and i know that the 100e is amazing (check video)... I had a passenger ride in it when the national championships came here to Hartlepool. The best one i have seen so far since i started autotesting is a Ford Escort mk3 Gartrac... Such an amazing car is this LSD, 2.1 Pinto Engine, stripped to the bone (even got a go kart seat in) and it really is fun to drive YouTube - 100E Autotest YouTube - hartlepool auto test

12-10-2009, 06:05	#10 (permalink)
Mike@TDSW dorifto kingu! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Somerset Posts: 5,751	I know where there is a mk3 gartrac shell for sale. Solid but in need of work. Was on its way to look like a series 1 rst until he ran out of workshop.

12-10-2009, 08:22	#11 (permalink)
sjpearless tail slider Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 146	Omg oldskools are far superior to noob mobils. I love taking my kp for a drift up. I got full escort running gear. 2.1 pinto. LSD English axel and it takes such a beating. Why do yiu think they still use all the buts for rallying cos the parts are built to last. Plus a well built pinto is bullet proof. Even if it breaks you can literally fix it with a 13mm spanner and a screwdriver. Boxes are cheap and internals ain't that expensive in reality compared to most. Plus you look ten times more gangster skidding a oldie about. I have taken people out in mine and they live the sound the feel and smells. Lol. 200sx are boring to drift. Yiu want summit that's gonna scare you. And I find the short wheelbase fine. Little snappy but just makesure you got tons of lock. Plus have a look at Talbot sunbeams. Vauxhall chevettes kadettes etc. You can literally throw escort running gear in them and a pinto.

12-10-2009, 08:42	#12 (permalink)
aaronblue dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the deepest depths of the Forest of Dean Posts: 554	cheers for all the advice people. im still thinking 100e as to c one blasting sideways on a DWYB day would be and bring some laughs. as for fabrication and parts thats not a problem as the father in law is a specialist in classic fords building them and supplying parts. i was thinking a good 1600 x-flow with some nice twin 40's but would that be enough power??

12-10-2009, 09:41	#13 (permalink)
sjpearless tail slider Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 146	A 100e would be awsome. Me and my dad just bought one. Gonna keep it standard. My friend has had a 2.1 pop and it was badass. If you 4 link the rear end and run some escort coilovers up front. Yiu will easily get the right suspension set up needed. A my friend has a crossflow and I don't think it has the bottom end grunt needed that you can get from a pinto. Yiu spend 1800 on a budget crossflow yiu will get 140 bhp ish spend the same on a pinto and yiu will get 180bhp.

12-10-2009, 16:19	#14 (permalink)
aaronblue dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the deepest depths of the Forest of Dean Posts: 554	talking to the father in law i may as well go straight for a 2.0 pinto mild cam decent exhaust and some twin 40's. happy days lol

12-10-2009, 18:04	#15 (permalink)
Day Wheel Whore Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Wirral Posts: 544	Pinto every time for drifting, you need the low end grunt that a crossflow will never ever have. Go for it with the Pop though. I got mine to a stage where if i didnt 4-link it it was a waste, as i wanted to put an SR in it. So i nstead i got rid and bought something faster to start with. but if Fab isnt a problem, youll be fine. Id love to see a sorted 100e skidding though. Heres mine for a CF shoot. Its not much to look at but it was pretty nippy. It looked a lot better by the time id finished with it aswell. If it comes out massive i apologise.

12-10-2009, 18:16	#16 (permalink)
aaronblue dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In the deepest depths of the Forest of Dean Posts: 554	that my friend is amazing!!!

12-10-2009, 20:01	#17 (permalink)
mossy tail slider Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 145	If i didnt have my mk2 escort, i would either have a manta or vauxhall chevette!

13-10-2009, 21:34	#20 (permalink)
oldskooler spl dori master Join Date: May 2007 Location: mayo, ireland. Posts: 393	capris are cheap compared to escorts and often overlooked. i reckon with the right mods one id drift well. couple of impressive ones in norway. the longer wheelbase with sorted suspension would have to work well id imagine.