2010 dates/venues

[Bladerider]

From a viewpoint as both a driver, central organiser and these days simply helper and commentator I think I usually have it pretty well balanced.

And to give my observations would be quite simple.

Modified Live as an event is based on a multitude of factors. Back in the days of GTBattle it was simply that the Time Attack stuff had a certain amount of subscription, the drifting had a certain amount of subscription and the whole event was often at a pace that could be more flexible for us as competitors, but meant that spectators were finding it hard to follow, especially as they have a relatively short attention span and gaps make the crowds disperse quickly.

Seeing as its the punters that are subsidising all of this and paying for the event thn I can understand that the shows have gotten slicker, timings need to be adhered to more, and variety given, and unfortunately we all often forget that we are in a MASSIVE minority. We find drifting fascinating, whereas Joe Public usually does not. They find it interesting, for a while, at best !! After an hour they're bored and want to see a Time Attack car or a truck, or a dragster doing a burnout, lots of which we all find pretty lame, but thats the point. The things we think of as weak or average, they feel about when the drifting drags on too long !!!

So the solution is to chop it up a bit more, keep it in more bitesize pieces and progress the whole event. Add into that that the Time Attack has expanded in classes to allow for the enormous demand - probably 5 to 1 compared to the drifting - and suddenly you see where alot of the time has gone for us to prat about skidding off into the gravel. So that leaves Glen and Andy little choice but to restrict the drifting a fair bit, try to come up with a format that will work with a very high quality level to ensure smooth running and also protect the image as a result, given that these events are the ones being seen by the most people and therefore have themost impact. If 10,000 people see half a dozen top drivers doing well, 15 average drivers getting it right half the time, and a few gravel magnets like me, Polo and Kieran horlicksing it regularly then they are gonna be pretty underwhelmed when they hear about the next drift event thats on be it a JDM a BDC or the next ModdeLive. So its probably a very good thing to focus on the cream, get a bunch of guys with really top cars, get the sponsorship packages right for everyone involved to maximise impact and results and then take that out to the best tracks in the UK with a massive promotional machine behind it focused more tightly.

THATS what will be happening this year and thats why perhaps any drivers who were not fully commited might not have been kept in contact with so much. Im sure Glen meant no disrespect Paul when he said fans have got the dates which is all they need. Its simply stating the truth, the fans need only know something pukka is happening on said dates, and as far as drivers are concerned you would already know whats occuring if you were a core part of it a long time ago.

J.

[kieran_e1]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

From a viewpoint as both a driver, central organiser and these days simply helper and commentator I think I usually have it pretty well balanced.

And to give my observations would be quite simple.

Modified Live as an event is based on a multitude of factors. Back in the days of GTBattle it was simply that the Time Attack stuff had a certain amount of subscription, the drifting had a certain amount of subscription and the whole event was often at a pace that could be more flexible for us as competitors, but meant that spectators were finding it hard to follow, especially as they have a relatively short attention span and gaps make the crowds disperse quickly.

Seeing as its the punters that are subsidising all of this and paying for the event thn I can understand that the shows have gotten slicker, timings need to be adhered to more, and variety given, and unfortunately we all often forget that we are in a MASSIVE minority. We find drifting fascinating, whereas Joe Public usually does not. They find it interesting, for a while, at best !! After an hour they're bored and want to see a Time Attack car or a truck, or a dragster doing a burnout, lots of which we all find pretty lame, but thats the point. The things we think of as weak or average, they feel about when the drifting drags on too long !!!

So the solution is to chop it up a bit more, keep it in more bitesize pieces and progress the whole event. Add into that that the Time Attack has expanded in classes to allow for the enormous demand - probably 5 to 1 compared to the drifting - and suddenly you see where alot of the time has gone for us to prat about skidding off into the gravel. So that leaves Glen and Andy little choice but to restrict the drifting a fair bit, try to come up with a format that will work with a very high quality level to ensure smooth running and also protect the image as a result, given that these events are the ones being seen by the most people and therefore have themost impact. If 10,000 people see half a dozen top drivers doing well, 15 average drivers getting it right half the time, and a few gravel magnets like me, Polo and Kieran horlicksing it regularly then they are gonna be pretty underwhelmed when they hear about the next drift event thats on be it a JDM a BDC or the next ModdeLive. So its probably a very good thing to focus on the cream, get a bunch of guys with really top cars, get the sponsorship packages right for everyone involved to maximise impact and results and then take that out to the best tracks in the UK with a massive promotional machine behind it focused more tightly.

THATS what will be happening this year and thats why perhaps any drivers who were not fully commited might not have been kept in contact with so much. Im sure Glen meant no disrespect Paul when he said fans have got the dates which is all they need. Its simply stating the truth, the fans need only know something pukka is happening on said dates, and as far as drivers are concerned you would already know whats occuring if you were a core part of it a long time ago.

J.

leave me out of it ya big chunk of man love

[mitto]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

the fans need only know something pukka is happening on said dates, and as far as drivers are concerned you would already know whats occuring if you were a core part of it a long time ago.

This forum IS the drivers...

and being a person that was doing this long before EDC, D1GB, Prodrift or whoever else you care to mention outside of Japan and yet, i am totally unaware of what EDC now is, does or wants to achieve?

Before anyone wants to shout about my "bais" i will point out that my "bais" has always been to drifting and drivers, not championships.

Any championship is NOTHING without the drivers, so from my viewpoint, they should do everything they can to help, support and inform the drivers... and sadly, this has always lacked within EDC in my opinion.

[EDC Admin]

Originally Posted by mitto

This forum IS the drivers...

and being a person that was doing this long before EDC, D1GB, Prodrift or whoever else you care to mention outside of Japan and yet, i am totally unaware of what EDC now is, does or wants to achieve?

Before anyone wants to shout about my "bais" i will point out that my "bais" has always been to drifting and drivers, not championships.

Any championship is NOTHING without the drivers, so from my viewpoint, they should do everything they can to help, support and inform the drivers... and sadly, this has always lacked within EDC in my opinion.

You are missing the point (as is usual) and after spending time chatting with you at Autosport you still don't get it or understand the complexity (or is it simplicity if you got it!) of building a championship around the drivers, with as much support as we can get for them, and not just for the financial gain of the show/event organisers or those that financially gain directly from within the Drift community.

Simple,


Glen

[mitto]

Originally Posted by EDC Admin

Rahhhhhhhhhhhh

I still don't get it!

I'm not "having a pop" btw, im letting you know whats on my mind in regards to EDC. I am not interested in the political effects of this thread, although i would like to understand the reality of it... point case being - WTF IS GOING ON WITH EDC?! lol.

So as far as i get it... you are running 10 selected drivers to perform drifting in a WWF/Demo type format alongside Time Attack, within Modded Live events? Those drivers being heavily subsidised by EDC and EDCs sponsors?

Something like that? bear with me... im a bit simple, being new to this and all

[retrodan]

so who is the CREAM that will get to do this?

[EDC Admin]

Originally Posted by mitto

I still don't get it!

I'm not "having a pop" btw, im letting you know whats on my mind in regards to EDC. I am not interested in the political effects of this thread, although i would like to understand the reality of it... point case being - WTF IS GOING ON WITH EDC?! lol.

So as far as i get it... you are running 10 selected drivers to perform drifting in a WWF/Demo type format alongside Time Attack, within Modded Live events? Those drivers being heavily subsidised by EDC and EDCs sponsors?

Something like that? bear with me... im a bit simple, being new to this and all

Yep your definetly new to running and owning events/shows and having the acumen to see it work from a business perspective but your getting it - albeit painfully slowly

So if you know what I am on about after our chat at Autosport why are 'you' asking what you already know

You remind me somewhat of someone I used to know who'd been there, seen it, hadn't done it and didn't have the t-shirt to prove it - he tried hard to achieve the last two but he ran out of time and he's dead now

I love you Matt and hope one day to see you grow into a handsome young man

Glen

[mitto]

"Yep your definetly new to running and owning events/shows and having the acumen to see it work from a business perspective but your getting it - albeit painfully slowly "

- Gren, I am not running anything! The only involvement i have in anything is saying "dude, that shit would be amazing, do it" thats about it!

"So if you know what I am on about after our chat at Autosport why are 'you' asking what you already know "

- Because dude, i still don't really get it... or maybe im mistaking that for your being vauge and me wanting to know

"You remind me somewhat of someone I used to know who'd been there, seen it, hadn't done it and didn't have the t-shirt to prove it - he tried hard to achieve the last two but he ran out of time and he's dead now "

- TC? really?

"I love you Matt and hope one day to see you grow into a handsome young man"

- one day, i hope i am as pretty as you!

[Polo]

So all this talk and no one is still none the wiser? Is it now a championship or a demo?

Not that i give a fuck any more, bit like Mitto, just curious to WTF is going on to what i remember it as a good, fun and competitive crack.(befor my days in EDC)

[Stavros]

About the spectators which has been mentioned, from years of going to shows due to work, heres how it works with regard to spectators...

Gaps in action= They get bored and go.
Qualification= Not that interested.
Who actually wins= Not that interested.
Any action with more than 1 car and non stop action, judged or not= Very interested.
Stands when the drifting is on= Busy.
Stands when the time attack is on= Empty.
Time Attack= NOT interested. Its v.popular with the drivers, and the cars are great, but to watch on track it generally sucks as its not a race and the cars are generally being driven well within their limits of traction. Once the drifting is over, people go home.

So yeah, from a spectator point of view, a fun exhibition type of thing is the way.

[RyanH]

Yea agreed with the above.

Time attack keeps my attention for 1 or 2 laps when the top cars are on (can't remember the class names).

Qualifying has always seemed a bit dull, IMO.

Exhibition would be cool as you get to see all the cars each time, but it could go the other way and the drivers don't see the need to push it as far, because there's no winner, if you get what i mean?

Mad twinning at brands was really fucking cool though.

[kieran_e1]

Originally Posted by RyanH

Yea agreed with the above.

Time attack keeps my attention for 1 or 2 laps when the top cars are on (can't remember the class names).

Qualifying has always seemed a bit dull, IMO.

Exhibition would be cool as you get to see all the cars each time, but it could go the other way and the drivers don't see the need to push it as far, because there's no winner, if you get what i mean?

Mad twinning at brands was really fucking cool though.

or push it further and faster as there is nothing to lose

[peter barber123]

Originally Posted by kieran_e1

or push it further and faster as there is nothing to lose

well i'll be pushing thats for sure, not spending loads of cash on a new build for it to just look pretty

[Bladerider]

First thing the drivers (I include myself in this still) said was...

ITS HAS TO COUNT !!!

The competition element is vital to them.

J.

[mitto]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

The competition element is vital to them.

i don't agree with that, i used to, but now its seems much more vital to do something rocking, with "points" becoming secondary. More of a "jam" type thing with scores, than "THIS IS A DRIFT COMPETITION" ?

sorry, i guess that doesnt related to EDC as much as my own view

[Bladerider]

Originally Posted by Bladey

The drivers said competition is vital when they sat down in front of me and discussed it

Originally Posted by mitto

i don't agree with that

I dont care what you agree with - they said it !!!



Try to remember there are others out there with a different viewpoint to you !!

I start my replies with "Matts entitled to his opinion, I however think this......"

You start your replies with "Thats wrong...blah blah, scouser scouser "

You do make me laugh fella !!



J.xx

[mitto]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

IYou start your replies with "Thats wrong...blah blah, scouser scouser

i didnt say anyone was wrong you giant turd groper! x

[cormac190]

So what championships are running this year? For the average drifter what championships are availible to him/her? Sorry this question might be mis-placed but it looks like there isnt any

[Bladerider]

Possibly BDC

Possibly Prodrift

Thats about it. Although I think a couple of the practice organisations will be running mni comps this year as there has become a demand for it as numbers of people competent and confident to give it a go have swelled massively in recent times.

j.

[SWRC Wayne]

Originally Posted by cormac190

So what championships are running this year? For the average drifter what championships are availible to him/her? Sorry this question might be mis-placed but it looks like there isnt any

Originally Posted by Bladerider

Possibly BDC

Possibly Prodrift

Thats about it...

j.

Interesting that, even though it is in reply to questions posted above, that every time the UDC is mentioned the post is deleted. Even though the lad asking the question is from NI!!!

Well here it is again. Countdown to deletion begins...