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25-11-2006, 19:18
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| spl dori master  Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex
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| most of the changes are mentioned there but just to clarify a couple on the first point - there is not a problem with removable door bars, the concern is with the type that are telescopic which mean you can cut them to length - with these ones, once they are cut to length the joint needs to be welded all the way round rather than tack welded or left loose. This will still make it possible to remove the bars if they get in the way for road use and will increase the strength of the bars on point 3 i wont be going round measuring the angles! the 15 degree angle is the best angle but in reality what we're trying to do is move the mountings for the shoulder straps off the floor to a higher position where they are more effective as admin said the full regs will be out soon but if anyone is planning major changes to a car it may be worth a pm first Marc |
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26-11-2006, 00:45
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| In need of practice  Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Glasgow
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i knopw this will all become clear eventually but could i ask for some clarification on these two points. with regards point 3. both harnesses i have currently use the oem fitment positions for the rear seat belts. Will this be ok?? with regards point 4 is this with respect to not oem fuel systems or a general rule for all? cheers kieran | |
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26-11-2006, 10:15
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| spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex
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for point 3. the 15 degree from horizontal is the best angle but anything from approximately 45 degrees is ok - I assume that you are using mounting points pretty close to where the base and back of the rear seats meet? normally that will make the angle in the region of 45 degrees which be be acceptable ( providing the mounts are reasonably strong) IF the points need to be move it will only mean a new hole,a spreader plate and an eyebolt - although the cross bars mentioned are the best solution in a purpose built car but they will not become compulsory As i said in a previous post , I'm not intending to go round measuring these angles - the object is to get the mounting points away from the floor immediately behind the seat. I used to compete myself so I do appreciate the problems in competing in a road-going car point 4:  thats a very good point - i'm glad you asked me .... I will make that one clearer in the regsIf you are using a OEM system with the tank fitted below the floor with no big holes in the floor, and the boot does not contain swirl pots , pumps, filters etc then there will not be a need for a rear firewall - in other words .... an empty boot will not need a firewall. Fuel pipes through the interior will be acceptable - but they must be either metal or braided and they must not have joints inside they passenger comprtment, For the front , all cars will need a fire wall - but all that really means in most cases is that if there are holes in the bulkhead, bung them up using- bolts,rivets,metal plates,fibeglass,fireproof mastic etc. marc | |
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26-11-2006, 10:26
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| In need of practice Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Glasgow
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cheers chap , panic over  don't quite get the bulkhead thing but thats a minimal issue so i'll wait for the reg's. cheers kieran | |
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27-11-2006, 18:08
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| A Super Slider   Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Essex Drifters Union
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29-11-2006, 16:28
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| -NIGHTSPIRIT FAMILY-  Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Edinburgh/Stoke-on-Trent
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Also, it was said last year that the Horsham Designs cage for an S13 was OK to use, but the regs stated that the main hoop needed to minimum of 45mm? The Horsham one is 44mm | |
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29-11-2006, 17:22
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| dorifto kingu!  Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cheltenham
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I'm still going to get one though, as I'm not going to be good enough to compete at this level - and if by some miracle I am I can use the main hoop as a template to make a new main hoop out of bigger diameter tube  | |
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29-11-2006, 17:36
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| Pimms O'clock  Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N Dorset
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| Having PM'd the scrutineer man some info for others Front sections of cages must be of the vertical through the dash affairs. Not the Curly-wurly type even if they are reinforced. Thought I'd point this out for everyone |
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29-11-2006, 17:40
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| In need of practice Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Glasgow
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29-11-2006, 22:29
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| spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex
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| well it looks like all questions have been answered without me  yes the 2006 regs did clearly say the dash dodger cagers were for 2006 only I have been talking to SRB about the group buy to see if safety 21 could produce a batch of UK spec cages but this may not be practical. the trouble is that the safety 21 cages are a long way below the material spec we tried to find a way to allow them but sadly could not There will be a regs meeting tomorrow so the 2007 regs should be out soon - meanwhile i'm happy to get any questions here or by pm Last edited by scrutineer : 29-11-2006 at 22:37. |
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01-12-2006, 10:22
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| BDC  Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Germany....Now!
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if so....thats blooming great as i never understood the need to individually firewall fuel lines that were "proper braid with unions"...in 2006 makes my plumbing a hell of a lot easier if i can run them through the car | |
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01-12-2006, 11:07
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| dorifto kingu!   Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NFA
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, well apart from the competition where its going to be the hottest A few changes have been made to the tech regs after our meeting yesterday and these will be available soon. No need to have nightmares by the way, we've actually relaxed a few areas, not from a safety perspective of course but just a general understanding basis Glen | |
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01-12-2006, 21:45
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| spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex
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the pipe must be unbroken - ie no joints the hole that the pipe uses to go through the two bulkheads/firewalls must be sealed round the pipe - a good fitting grommet or fireproof mastic is probably the easiest ways If you are using professionally made braided hoses there are connectors available that are specifically made for passsing through bulkheads that use proper screwed joints - these are acceptable but all the parts must be made by a recognised manufacturer not diy parts - if noy sure PM me the pipe must be fitted in the passenger side - not the drivers side and fixed in a position that protects it from accidental damage - like being stepped on! | |
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01-12-2006, 21:59
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| spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: sussex
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| As Glen said the regs have been looked at at length ..... kept me amused for many hours  and (almost) all have been agreed on.As well as looking at safety i looked for ways to make builds easier like changing the fuel line rule one and comments from drivers have been noted and changes made if we could....Mr stiggy  so it wont all be bad news until they are posted,we're happy to get questions on here or by pm. if your about to change or buy anything it worth checking first |
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