No fwd converted to rear wheel drive!!!!!!!!!!!!

[caged]

Originally Posted by Dori Edd

...........and even with the caterham quick rack in its got weaksauce lock.

how/why would a quik-rack increase a cars amount of lock?

sure it will reduse the number of turns lock-to-lock but the actual angle possble (whats fundamentally important in drift) will remain the same-o

[MJG]

You're right caged dude. A rack off a different car might have the same turns but more physical lock though, but to the normal person with lockstops still in place they wouldn't notice the additional lock given thus just assuming it is a quick rack by the fact it uses less of it's potential turns to hit the lockstops.

[Dori Edd]

Only said it cos on the authority of my lecturer the caterham quick rack has more lock than the rack it had on it. Might be BS, just repeating it.

[sambo]

Another reason for it could also be from the image point of view...if a load of next year's competitors build rwd saxo's, foci, or any general widely available fwd car and compete in rounds that coincide with the Donny show etc, it may not be the best way to portray the sport to the younger saxo-driving crowd. Drifting is still just a baby over here so maybe its a good thing the top national series is trying to force the point across that its primarily a rwd sport?

I realise it'd be pretty obvious to the drifters and the more knowledgeable crowd that the car was in fact proper rwd, but to the uneducated who just see a Focus sliding about like they do with their handbrakes...

[Minishonk]

theres plenty of ways of getting around this rather easily people who are building these cars just need 2 think about what there building how there doing it and what they can class the car as but i should think if someone decided they were gonna rwd an integra it would be alot safer if crashed than a rotten ae86 or s13

[hashiriya]

1 thing to remember:

Drifting as a sport was mainly introduced to help promote the tuning industry. Thats why many of the rules are there to keep a general "street car" type image on the cars. Hence why there is no space framing etc. I guess the one off cars are an extension of this. The easiest way to put that into the rules is simply to say no conversions.

I would like to clarify that on this occasion I am not speaking on behalf of the scrutenier, and just giving my own personal opinion.

[Minishonk]

i think convertion cars would still use most of the parts tho thats the idea with a convertion you still use normal parts that u would on a rwd car just its something diffrent

[Mad Cas]

This whole thread is a waste of time. (so i'm gonna post on it )

Rules are rules, lots of people build wacky cars then look to race them, you either find a championship suitable, or you build the relavant vehicle for the championship you wish to compete in. Go and ask spedeworth if they will let you race an orion in lightning rods or if the MSA will let you race a nissan stagea in stock hatch rallycross.

As cool as it would be to see FWD car converted to RWD the rules are in place to stop people like me entering something like this:

(NASCAR)

Although the field might be dominated by RB26'd R32 and SR20'd S13/14
I think eventually people will strive to be different on the track as much as they have on this forum, when it all started it was almost all jap cars, now there are a plethora of people using BMW's, sierras, volvos and anything else thats RWD and available.

Besides, if you were desperate to enter a focus you would go and buy a 4x4 shell to convert to RWD as they would have been homologated for WRC! might cost ya £30k odd tho just for the shell!

The rules are really vague/unspecific for drifting, shot full of loopholes to take advantage of and cheap to build suitable cars so I dont see how anyone can complain! i.e they say nothing about chopping the bulkhead to move the engine further back, thus altering weight distribution which would be useful.

Even the rule book for banger racing is bigger than the EDC one!

[s13silvia]

If you want to try something different to S-bodys and skylines, and want something that is usually known as front wheel drive, get a primera T4 and convert it to RWD! That would be allowed as its 4wd originally.... and SR powered to start with!

[harrietxxx]

rules are rules , rules are there for a reason ,potentially it could be dangerous to have a bodged rwd conversion yes????? im all for fwd and 4wd converted to rwd but surely if you were to build a car for a certain competition you would go by the competition rules and make sure the car fitted the criteria first????

[scrutineer]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

This whole thread is a waste of time. (so i'm gonna post on it )

Rules are rules, lots of people build wacky cars then look to race them, you either find a championship suitable, or you build the relavant vehicle for the championship you wish to compete in. Go and ask spedeworth if they will let you race an orion in lightning rods or if the MSA will let you race a nissan stagea in stock hatch rallycross.

As cool as it would be to see FWD car converted to RWD the rules are in place to stop people like me entering something like this:

(NASCAR)

Although the field might be dominated by RB26'd R32 and SR20'd S13/14
I think eventually people will strive to be different on the track as much as they have on this forum, when it all started it was almost all jap cars, now there are a plethora of people using BMW's, sierras, volvos and anything else thats RWD and available.

Besides, if you were desperate to enter a focus you would go and buy a 4x4 shell to convert to RWD as they would have been homologated for WRC! might cost ya £30k odd tho just for the shell!

The rules are really vague/unspecific for drifting, shot full of loopholes to take advantage of and cheap to build suitable cars so I dont see how anyone can complain! i.e they say nothing about chopping the bulkhead to move the engine further back, thus altering weight distribution which would be useful.

Even the rule book for banger racing is bigger than the EDC one!

there are also the rules about space frames to consider which will exclude some of the more extreme specials

and didn't you notice rule 7-2 part 4?

" if the scrutineer dosn't like your car ..... go home?"

what!!? did Glen edit that rule out??

seriously though, its early days yet and i hope drifting will get bigger and bigger but the rules should not change completely overnight.We are looking at the rules each year and if needed - continually, it will be nice to expand the types of cars competing in the future so when appropriate, rules will evolve.
We are prepared to listen and consider sensible suggestions from competitors and future competitors

[Stavros]

Cas- There never has been a 4wd Focus, WRC homologation dont require any standard cars to be 4wd anymore mate, its a free for all these days.

[Nick]

i'm gonna enter a mk1 mondeo one year. and no one can stop me, 4wd mondeos existed. wicked. might be a turbo diesel too.

[Stavros]

Lol!

Im gonna enter in a Mk3 Cavalier too Nick.

Or Calibra.

Or maybe a Renault 21.

Or Mk5/6 Escort.

Or Alfa 33

Or Fiat Panda...

Or, i dunno, i cant think of any others off the top of my head...

[Nick]

man theres loads of cool ukdm cars that would be elligble.

VW passat they did a 4wd version of one of them.

audi TiT although that would just be really cool.

subaru justy,

see you on the track skag, you in your drift fiat panda, me in my dream mk1 mondeo. with flappy aero.

[Sliderman]

Originally Posted by Nick

subaru justy,

been there, done that

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by Stavros

Cas- There never has been a 4wd Focus, WRC homologation dont require any standard cars to be 4wd anymore mate, its a free for all these days.

Of course. For a moment there I thought they had to build a bunch of them but would have kept them all for rallying, but I guess if they were homologated they would HAVE to be sold to the general public- meaning there would be a roadgoing version, rather than the FWD ST170 and RS stuff thay have fobbed us off with. I am stupid.

I'm having trouble picking my car for next season:

Subaru MV Brat pickup
Suzuki Swift saloon 4x4 16v
405 MI16
Mazda 323
Corolla Estate

[MJG]

Cavalier 4x4, calibra 4x4

[Pete H]

Citroen BX

[MJG]

Now that's just wrong. Hahaha.