No fwd converted to rear wheel drive!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Minishonk]

Originally Posted by Stavros

Cas- There never has been a 4wd Focus, WRC homologation dont require any standard cars to be 4wd anymore mate, its a free for all these days.

they made a focus cosworth in america only a couple were made but still he could have 1 of them

[Mad Cas]

On my other computer I have pics of a RWD V8 yankee focus, the ultimate q-car!

What about 4x4 sierra? oh, shit, hang on...

[Mattyboi]

As long as i`m not hungover in the back again

[scrutineer]

Originally Posted by Pete H

Citroen BX

yer not having one of them out on the track ..... it'll take hours to sweep up all the bits that drop off and the suspension would make you seasick

[turbo haus touge]

Originally Posted by jap-si

agree with the above statement to a point, s bobys do dominate but it is self forfilling (spelling) i think. the buyer wants rwd quick and cheap so they can drift. they then get popular, then the tuning stuff comes onto the market. they get seen alot and then people buy more of them. so it goes round in circles. that i guess is how we got to the stagewe have where s bodys are common and the tuning parts are plentifull

i think we would see alot more older cars but unless you have some experience it would prob be a bit daunting turning up in your (insert rwd classic car here) for a blast round matchams.

by the same token you gotta have some big ones or some funding behind you to turn up in a 350z or new M5 etc.

it would be cool to see more variety but when something fits the bill as well as S bodys and liners it is hard to see any change for a few years yet.

hehe

[Pete H]

Originally Posted by scrutineer

yer not having one of them out on the track ..... it'll take hours to sweep up all the bits that drop off and the suspension would make you seasick

That's a damming statement about quality French engineering.

[scrutineer]

Originally Posted by Pete H

That's a damming statement about quality French engineering.

true .... but i'n speaking from personal experience.
In the past i've been lucky enough to have citreons,and pugs and to be brutally honest i rated them as worse than our maestro

[Parker]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

On my other computer I have pics of a RWD V8 yankee focus, the ultimate q-car!

Could you not buy that as a factory option? That would surely be allowed although it looks like the one in question is a DIY jobbie.

[soggy]

Read this thread with some interest so here is my humble opinion,the focus that has been converted by A1 will be a pro built car i have seen numerous featurers on their cars they are built to MSA regs i beleive ,so no probs with quality.
But the problem still remains of legality,drifting is the worlds fastest growing form of motorsport and its geting bigger and bigger every year with tv coverage following this year ,the problem the sport is going to face as it continues to grow is getting bums on seats to pay for bigger and better events ,this means inticing the uninformed general public to come to the events.The BTCC manages to get thousands to come to their events not only for the close racing but because they drive cars they can relate to something they can see in showrooms,if they come to a drift event even the newest cars are ten year old jap sportscars they might not have even heard of.
Like i said drifting is growing fast and in this country alone is evolving every year so it must be a hard job trying to draw up a set of regs to please everybody but i beleive fwd cars converted in the conventional front engined rwd format is some thing that should be looked at for the future,to buy a modern saloon or hatch back shell isnt that expensive these days and the amount of fab work needed (done using the MSA blue book and drifting regs)would be no more work than phil and co are putting in to this years beast.
If proof is needed for the use of modern shells take a look at the european rallycross series those events attract tens of thousands and all cars are based on current models.
I have been a fan of drifting since i saw drift king on clarksons motorworld a few years ago and when i saw my first drift event i was amazed at how much it worked up the crowd,drifting has come a long way but it still has a way to go to be widely accepted, but i think we have the right people taking the sport in the right direction,its still early days but to nick a well known ad campain The future looks bright

ps, sorry its so long had a flash of inspiration at 2am ,alcohol fueled of course

[superclarkey]

I remember wathcing that also that was when he test drove the skyline R32 GTR

[Nick]

Originally Posted by soggy

If proof is needed for the use of modern shells take a look at the european rallycross series those events attract tens of thousands and all cars are

yeh but a lot of them are now spaceframed, or semi-spaceframed...and are ground up builds costing a lot of money. maybe something to entertain when drifting is bigger, but right now i cant really see the point in it. as much as i like rwd conversions, it should have nothing to do with the crowd being able to relate to the cars, whats to relate to? a vauxhall astra that has no underpinnings in common with the road variant?? awesome.

[soggy]

Rallycross is just an example, the rules were changed to modern shells to avoid the space frame problem that was creeping in, i think on the whole the cars are now using all steel shells.
I,m not saying using using fwd shells is something to use instead of s-bodies but it shouldnt be dismissed at a possible avenue for the future, maybe they could let them run but not be eligable to score championship points.

[Stavros]

when many people are hugely struggling to afford the right tyres (due to lack of available sponsorship) to be competitive, keeping costs down by not allowing mad shit like FWD conversions and space framing is almost irrelivant TBH.

being able (or unable) to afford the tyres will affect results a lot more than some fancy chassis.

[soggy]

Allowing a fwd converted car to compete makes no difference to costs?
And as for sponsorship while the sport is still small people arent going to be banging down your door begging to sponsor your jdm import you couldnt even buy over here,driving in a sport not everybody has heard of with not much garantee of any publicity!.There are still a lot of people out there like my dad who have compeated or have been involved in motorsport who think drifting is just a waste of a good set of tyres and in some respects he has a point, there is another thread on here about tyres and people are telling each other which tyres last the longest maybe for the lower drift classes there could be a long lasting control tyre that has to be used,less grip but the same for everyone and not so much money to find for tyres?
My suggestion about more modern chassis is just one idea to raise the profile of the sport which in turn will lead to making sponsorship a lot easier to find.

[SteveC200]

Nope, dont get it. Youre saying use modern chassis. Fair enough. But then youre saying chop the fuck out of the floor pan and convert it to RWD. So whats the point in having a modern chassis in the first place, there will be nothing left of it.

And rather than banging on about "jdm import you couldnt even buy over here" how about looking around a bit more: 350Z, S2000, RX8, all modern, all available over here and I suspect a lot cheaper to prepare for competative drifting than a Focus with a floor chop.

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by soggy

but to nick a well known ad campain The future looks bright

it's

the future's bright

[soggy]

So your telling me phil isnt chopping fuck out of his floor plan?
Like i said its just one idea do you have a better one you seem to know everything?
you could convert a fwd car for half the amount you would pay for a s2000

[soggy]

Lightning grow up, if you knew what i ment why correct me

[SteveC200]

Originally Posted by soggy

So your telling me phil isnt chopping fuck out of his floor plan?
Like i said its just one idea do you have a better one you seem to know everything?
you could convert a fwd car for half the amount you would pay for a s2000

No need to get tetchy because someone disagrees with you.


Yes, he is, but hes starting with a RWD car in the first place with all the right suspension pick ups, axles, and subframes. Somewhat different to basically cutting everything away between sills and bumpers on a focus.

And yes, I do know everything.

[Matt_S]

Originally Posted by soggy

There are still a lot of people out there like my dad who have compeated or have been involved in motorsport who think drifting is just a waste of a good set of tyres and in some respects he has a point,

Err, so your dad isnt even keen on the sport!!!

Why bother even thinking about starting drift is he hasnt got any passion about it???



Sounds like a wagon jumper for sure!

(Edit, just read its not your thread / dad wanting to start drifting )