No fwd converted to rear wheel drive!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by soggy

Lightning grow up, if you knew what i ment why correct me

Can't I'm 12.

[soggy]

Not getting techy just used the same language as you!
All i am saying is if you think my idea is no good suggest a better one?
We need to see more domestic cars in the championship but there arent many that are rwd thats the problem.

[Stavros]

Its a perfectly good idea and not an expensive idea either. Usually 3-7k usually to convert something random to another cars floorpan etc etc from a company thats not ripping you off, depends how build up you want them to do the car for you, ie the bare minimum, or finished motor.

Its a waste of time in some senses, as you could just use the car your using the floorpan or running gear off.
But if you REALLY want to use a certain shape car, then let em do it.

But like i said, its the tyres etc you need to be competitive that will bankrupt you, not the building of the basic car...!

[Glen]

Originally Posted by soggy

All i am saying is if you think my idea is no good suggest a better one?

I think it's an idea worth considering, and we have been for sometime since the subject was brought up.

We cannot make technical changes like this for 07 but for 08 we are already talking/discussing with people.

Good to see a subjective and forward thinking thread

Glen

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by sr20-power

isnt there a vw polo been built to a high spec for drifting somewhere

saw it run this weekend... i actually think it has amazing potential if done correctly.

[Pete H]

Interesting subject. I don't think it is quite as much work as people make out as a lot of modern floorpans are designed for multiple drive plans. The chassis the Jag X-Type uses (which is fairly common I believe) is designed for 4WD so a 2WD conversion wouldn't be that hard.

I think the problem you'll find with using modern cars is not the prep but the initial purchase and then justifying cutting up a good car. The majority on here don't have the budgets like Phil et al (nor are willing to suck cock like others) so have to make do with the cheap purchase price cars like S13s, S14s etc.

[soggy]

I understand about the money involved but it could be done,i like the idea because i like to be different maybe if someone did it a sponsor would agree.
On the subject of tyres again could a tyre be made that is very long lasting or would it have to be so hard it would be undrivable?anybody have and knowlege of tyre construction,like a said before if a long lasting control tyre could be found it would reduce the tyre budget leaving more money to spend on the cars?

[SteveC200]

The problem with long lasting tyres is that they generally dont offer much grip, which is exactly what we want from a tyre.

[soggy]

I was thinking more for the amature/practise aplication where ultimate grip isnt nesessary but learning car control is.

[cookwibble]

nobody is going to plow money into developing a long lasting tyre for us nooobs or for practice because even if it were £30 thats £30 more than what most people pay for practice tyres.

[soggy]

So we have someone saying tyres are expensive and someboby saying they are cheep

[cookwibble]

tyres for practising on, or for beginners are cheap, they are off the tyre pile out the back of kwickfit. tyres for people who need the grip, good drifters, are expensive.

[Stavros]

theres a valid point here, you only need the good tyres to compete with the people with good tyres, and lots of people cant afford that as the sponsorship situation is fairly dire.

if everyone was on the same quality tyres (not same width, thats silly) then itd help.

be awesome if one year a tyre company sponsored the series in a big way and supplied their tyres, and only their tyres, then there would be no more issues of the winners being the ones with the dollar to pay for the tyres.

maybe not free, that may be a dream too far, but a mega discount, no 20% off BS.

anyhow, this is almost turning into a whole seperate thread on tyres now.

[Pete H]

Don't think that many tyre companies in this country would support on a massive scale it due to the ammount of waste created etc. Not really the most environmentally friendly sport.

[SteveC200]

Originally Posted by Stavros

theres a valid point here, you only need the good tyres to compete with the people with good tyres, and lots of people cant afford that as the sponsorship situation is fairly dire.

if everyone was on the same quality tyres (not same width, thats silly) then itd help.

be awesome if one year a tyre company sponsored the series in a big way and supplied their tyres, and only their tyres, then there would be no more issues of the winners being the ones with the dollar to pay for the tyres.

maybe not free, that may be a dream too far, but a mega discount, no 20% off BS.

anyhow, this is almost turning into a whole seperate thread on tyres now.

That would be superb and would make it much more an even playing field. Like you say, very unlikely to happen.

[PhatBob]

Originally Posted by Pete H

Interesting subject. I don't think it is quite as much work as people make out as a lot of modern floorpans are designed for multiple drive plans. The chassis the Jag X-Type uses (which is fairly common I believe) is designed for 4WD so a 2WD conversion wouldn't be that hard.

If the floor pan is for a 4x4 then its conversion to RWD is acceptable as far as the regs go.

Something tells me that we're not likely to see a Mondeo, Golf etc out on the track for the simple fact that you'd need to have amazing faith to spend that amount of time and money on an unknown project when you know that you can develop an already proven chassis.

Unless something strange like a factory team or tuning company decides that it wants to use Drift as an advertising medium.

[Pete H]

I guess it is just more difficult with cars that have east-west engines - getting the power through 90 degrees to the prop.

[soggy]

I just remembered that back in i think 93 when andy rouse first built the mondeo,s for the btcc he actualy built a rwd one aswell as a fwd one to evaluate which would be better he went for fwd but the rwd one would have been legal,i will have a look to see if i can find out any info on it(give me something to do)

[soggy]

That didnt take long,the car ran with the engine still in a transverse location and used series of 90 degree gears to change the drive direction to the rear,i presume something similar was done for the 4,4 version.The car lost so much power through the gears that it wasnt quick enough thats why they went for fwd.What was interesting though is that the shell wasnt seam welded just double spotwelded(something we did when building our fiesta hot hatch racing car)it cut down on the amount of extra weight seam welding adds.

[soggy]

Just to bore you guys even more here is a link to a 4x4 mondy on e-bay anyboby want a challenge?eBay.co.uk: 4x4 ford mondeo with full rs body kit and quad lights (item 190095551344 end time 29-Mar-07 18:58:41 BST)