No fwd converted to rear wheel drive!!!!!!!!!!!! - Drifting forum

Andrew Strang · 29-01-2007, 17:44

Why oh why are front wheel drive cars converted to rear wheel drive not allowed this is completley rediculous?

sambo · 29-01-2007, 17:47

Are you likely to be competing this season in a rwd-converted car?

caged · 29-01-2007, 18:42

id imagine cos of back yard bodge ups!

MJG · 29-01-2007, 19:35

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Originally Posted by sambo

Are you likely to be competing this season in a rwd-converted car?

Hahahahahaha.... Nail... On.... Head...

But yeah, probably through fear of bodges as well as the aspect of kit-car type stuff. They wouldn't want people just making up their own chassis purely to drift, or else people would just invent a crazy ass tubular frame with 1000bhp, super wide tyres, and 180degrees of steering lock. By putting a subframe on the back of a FWD car, that never had such a subframe there, it would be stretching the boundaries a bit and open up many more loopholes which would lose the close competitiveness that drifting has at the moment by using fairly OEM body structures and suspension systems etc.

superclarkey · 29-01-2007, 19:54

because otherwise there will be a sea of Vauxhall novas with twin cams in them...

No offence but i think the rule is there for good reason.

Clarkey.

turbo-tastic · 29-01-2007, 20:21

Are you allowed to enter in a Locost/Caterham/westfield type thing?

Not that I'm even thinking of entering, or that I have a locost, I'm just wondering

sideways.taff · 29-01-2007, 20:33

No, its a spaceframe, they're not allowed...I've allready looked into that!

sr20-power · 29-01-2007, 21:16

isnt there a vw polo been built to a high spec for drifting somewhere

superclarkey · 29-01-2007, 21:17

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Originally Posted by sr20-power

isnt there a vw polo been built to a high spec for drifting somewhere

I thought that was built for a laugh ?

IrishPaddy · 29-01-2007, 21:50

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Originally Posted by superclarkey

because otherwise there will be a sea of Vauxhall novas with twin cams in them...

No offence but i think the rule is there for good reason.

Clarkey.

tbh that would be better than 20 s13/14/15's.... things are getting a bit 'the same thing different place/time'

superclarkey · 29-01-2007, 21:59

I think its best if they keep special's to there own class...

my 2p.

jap-si · 29-01-2007, 22:00

agree with the above statement to a point, s bobys do dominate but it is self forfilling (spelling) i think. the buyer wants rwd quick and cheap so they can drift. they then get popular, then the tuning stuff comes onto the market. they get seen alot and then people buy more of them. so it goes round in circles. that i guess is how we got to the stagewe have where s bodys are common and the tuning parts are plentifull

i think we would see alot more older cars but unless you have some experience it would prob be a bit daunting turning up in your (insert rwd classic car here) for a blast round matchams.

by the same token you gotta have some big ones or some funding behind you to turn up in a 350z or new M5 etc.

it would be cool to see more variety but when something fits the bill as well as S bodys and liners it is hard to see any change for a few years yet.

jap-si · 29-01-2007, 22:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by superclarkey

I think its best if they keep special's to there own class...

my 2p.

totally.

Andrew Strang · 29-01-2007, 22:32

To the above statement my dad was considering entering in a rear wheel drive focus but due to stupid rules is unable to.

**SteveC200** · 29-01-2007, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Strang

To the above statement my dad was considering entering in a rear wheel drive focus but due to stupid rules is unable to.

Can your dad drift to the required standard then? Ifhes really that good then maybe he should get something more suitable to EDC.

driftpromotion · 29-01-2007, 23:15

A front wheel drive car chassis is not built to cope with a drivetrain at the rear end.
Without a complete modification of the subframe and suspension components it's unlikely to handle or even drift well and is likely to break easily, hence be very dangerous.

A 4 wheel drive to rear drive conversion is feasible, but at least the chassis and suspension has provision for drive components at the rear.

<<EDIT>> By the way I have seen a scary looking POLO conversion on the web (possibly here too) with some shaky construction around the back axle assembly. It will break.

turbo-tastic · 30-01-2007, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Strang

To the above statement my dad was considering entering in a rear wheel drive focus but due to stupid rules is unable to.

I've always thought you should choose the car to suit the sport, not mix and match. "Stupid rules" are there for a reason. To keep everyone on the same page

And Jap-Si is spot on with why the cars are all the same, its because they are easy to acquire & maintain with plenty of spares and tuning available. And because they are good cars for drifting.

cookwibble · 30-01-2007, 10:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Strang

To the above statement my dad was considering entering in a rear wheel drive focus but due to stupid rules is unable to.

tell you what, if you think the rules are so stupid why dont you try coming up with your own?

bet they would be exactly the same except for:

Rule 13b: My dads rwd converted focus is allowed so there

mazdachris · 30-01-2007, 11:06

To be fair, I'm 99% sure that unless it was a total ground up build (think like a RWD Rallycross Supercar) a Focus would be absolutely eaten alive by even a moderately competative S-body.

Surely there would be so much work (and money!) involved in building a car to that kind of spec, you might as well start with a car which is actually fit for purpose out of the box, and then use that as a base?

Although a completely unlimited class would be pretty cool, if simply to see what kind of machines people would come up with.

turbo-tastic · 30-01-2007, 11:58

As said above, it'd be full of things like Locosts with super quick rack steering and massive amounts of lock, weighing 400-500kgs and 300bhp.

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Andrew Strang doughnutter Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31	No fwd converted to rear wheel drive!!!!!!!!!!!! Why oh why are front wheel drive cars converted to rear wheel drive not allowed this is completley rediculous?

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driftpromotion spl dori master Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 311	A front wheel drive car chassis is not built to cope with a drivetrain at the rear end. Without a complete modification of the subframe and suspension components it's unlikely to handle or even drift well and is likely to break easily, hence be very dangerous. A 4 wheel drive to rear drive conversion is feasible, but at least the chassis and suspension has provision for drive components at the rear. <<EDIT>> By the way I have seen a scary looking POLO conversion on the web (possibly here too) with some shaky construction around the back axle assembly. It will break. Last edited by driftpromotion : 30-01-2007 at 10:05.

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29-01-2007, 17:47	#2 (permalink)
sambo team yer maw Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,810	Are you likely to be competing this season in a rwd-converted car?

29-01-2007, 18:42	#3 (permalink)
caged Drift Gibbon Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: banbury, UK Posts: 1,352	id imagine cos of back yard bodge ups!

29-01-2007, 19:54	#5 (permalink)
superclarkey ______________ Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,052	because otherwise there will be a sea of Vauxhall novas with twin cams in them... No offence but i think the rule is there for good reason. Clarkey.

29-01-2007, 20:21	#6 (permalink)
turbo-tastic is outta here! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: soon to be elsewhere ;) Posts: 4,032	Are you allowed to enter in a Locost/Caterham/westfield type thing? Not that I'm even thinking of entering, or that I have a locost, I'm just wondering

29-01-2007, 20:33	#7 (permalink)
sideways.taff -NightWalkers- Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Wales Posts: 5,286	No, its a spaceframe, they're not allowed...I've allready looked into that!

29-01-2007, 21:16	#8 (permalink)
sr20-power dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: in the garage under the car Posts: 864	isnt there a vw polo been built to a high spec for drifting somewhere

29-01-2007, 21:59	#11 (permalink)
superclarkey ______________ Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,052	I think its best if they keep special's to there own class... my 2p.

29-01-2007, 22:00	#12 (permalink)
jap-si TE37 club Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: somerset Posts: 5,199	agree with the above statement to a point, s bobys do dominate but it is self forfilling (spelling) i think. the buyer wants rwd quick and cheap so they can drift. they then get popular, then the tuning stuff comes onto the market. they get seen alot and then people buy more of them. so it goes round in circles. that i guess is how we got to the stagewe have where s bodys are common and the tuning parts are plentifull i think we would see alot more older cars but unless you have some experience it would prob be a bit daunting turning up in your (insert rwd classic car here) for a blast round matchams. by the same token you gotta have some big ones or some funding behind you to turn up in a 350z or new M5 etc. it would be cool to see more variety but when something fits the bill as well as S bodys and liners it is hard to see any change for a few years yet.

29-01-2007, 22:32	#14 (permalink)
Andrew Strang doughnutter Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 31	To the above statement my dad was considering entering in a rear wheel drive focus but due to stupid rules is unable to.

30-01-2007, 11:06	#19 (permalink)
mazdachris Jam Hot Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MK Posts: 2,108	To be fair, I'm 99% sure that unless it was a total ground up build (think like a RWD Rallycross Supercar) a Focus would be absolutely eaten alive by even a moderately competative S-body. Surely there would be so much work (and money!) involved in building a car to that kind of spec, you might as well start with a car which is actually fit for purpose out of the box, and then use that as a base? Although a completely unlimited class would be pretty cool, if simply to see what kind of machines people would come up with.

30-01-2007, 11:58	#20 (permalink)
turbo-tastic is outta here! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: soon to be elsewhere ;) Posts: 4,032	As said above, it'd be full of things like Locosts with super quick rack steering and massive amounts of lock, weighing 400-500kgs and 300bhp.