Scoring System ? - Drifting forum

junior · 11-04-2007, 17:21

Guys can someone explain to me the championship scoring table ?

I would have presumed first knocked out in final 16 is 16th and working up that way. And the same for the final 8/4 ?

hashiriya · 11-04-2007, 17:23

first and second is obvious (I hope)

3/4th is judged through how well they performed in their semi final (They lost, but how close etc.)

similarly for 5-8th

and again for 9th and 10th.

It's all about how well they did despite losing.

junior · 11-04-2007, 17:24

Why bother seeding drivers so ?

hashiriya · 11-04-2007, 17:31

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Originally Posted by junior

Why bother seeding drivers so ?

i guess you mean that the same points should be awarded for both the drivers who lost in the semis.... and the same points for those who lost in the top 8 and those who lost in the top 16?

Consider this:

Semi 1. Driver A beats driver B in a clear battle. Driver B just sucked and spun out twice.

Semi 2. Driver C wins a gruelling battle spread over 2 sudden deaths and was really a small error which knocked driver D out.

Who deserves 3rd place? should it be equal? If you make a clear distinction between 3rd and fourth... why not down to the top 10. It also forces people to run at their best even if they spin out etc on the first run because you could make back valuable championship points by putting in a good performance even if you lose.

junior · 11-04-2007, 17:38

No not at all, what I mean I is this ... I'm taking it that you make the draw for the final 16 as 1 V 16, 2 V 15 etc ?

So why bother with that system when you disregard it half way thru the day - If I qualify 16th and I'm in the first twin drift and I get knocked out I expect to be 16th, the next driver that get's knocked out surely should be 15th ?

hashiriya · 11-04-2007, 18:59

the tables are worked out in euch a way that in theory number 1 and 2 qualifiers meet in the final.

so in theory:

Final = 1Vs2

Semi = 1 Vs 4, 2 Vs 3

Top 8 = 1Vs8, 4Vs5, 2Vs7, 3Vs6

Top 16 = 1Vs16, 8Vs9, 4Vs13, 5Vs12, 2Vs15, 7Vs10, 3Vs14, 6Vs11

The running order of the Top 16 isn't the same... the order in which they get knocked out is irrelevant. In fact their qualification positions are quite irrelevant once the Top 16's start.

Bit like qualifying in any normal race format, the fact that you took pole position means noting if you can't win the race

sideways.taff · 11-04-2007, 19:03

IMO 3rd and 4th should be a run-off before the final. So a twin battle between the two losing semi-finalists determines who's on the podium and who isn't. I guess it isn't always possible due to time constraints.

junior · 11-04-2007, 19:10

Taking your example above then - I think it should work out like this ...

Final 1 v 2 [Loser 2nd]

Semi = 1 Vs 4 [Loser 4th], 2 Vs 3 [Loser 3rd]

Top 8 = 1Vs8 [Loser 8th], 2Vs7 [Loser 7th], 3Vs6 [Loser 6th], 4Vs5 [Loser 5th]

Top 16 = 1Vs16 [Loser 16th], 2Vs15 [Loser 15th], 3Vs14 [Loser 14th], 4Vs13 [Loser 13th], 5Vs12 [Loser 12th], 6Vs11 [Loser 11th], 7Vs10 [Loser 10th], 8Vs9 [Loser 9th]

Because what your saying to me is that If I lost the 1 Vs 8 battle I could still place 5th and I don't think that's right like...

superclarkey · 11-04-2007, 19:39

There is not set way of judging... its done with a toss of a coin

(or is that how i would do it) (TAIL TAILS!) (boo i loose)

hashiriya · 11-04-2007, 20:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by junior

Taking your example above then - I think it should work out like this ...

Final 1 v 2 [Loser 2nd]

Semi = 1 Vs 4 [Loser 4th], 2 Vs 3 [Loser 3rd]

Top 8 = 1Vs8 [Loser 8th], 2Vs7 [Loser 7th], 3Vs6 [Loser 6th], 4Vs5 [Loser 5th]

Top 16 = 1Vs16 [Loser 16th], 2Vs15 [Loser 15th], 3Vs14 [Loser 14th], 4Vs13 [Loser 13th], 5Vs12 [Loser 12th], 6Vs11 [Loser 11th], 7Vs10 [Loser 10th], 8Vs9 [Loser 9th]

Because what your saying to me is that If I lost the 1 Vs 8 battle I could still place 5th and I don't think that's right like...

So now you are saying that the top qualifier could potentially finish 16th if s/he lost narrowly to the person who qualified 16th? surely thats not right either. It would over complicate a simple system

junior · 11-04-2007, 22:21

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Originally Posted by hashiriya

So now you are saying that the top qualifier could potentially finish 16th if s/he lost narrowly to the person who qualified 16th? surely thats not right either. It would over complicate a simple system

But it is right, the top qualifier has been beaten by the person that was ranked 16th on the day. Surely this is the point of seeding the qualification - to have a top qualifier etc ?

If this isn't the case then you should just draw lots for who meets who in the final 16th because your overall placing means nothing

Midgers · 11-04-2007, 23:53

I agree with Junior about drawing lots for twinning. I never thought it was fair to put 1st against 16th... but then Kieran Vs the SVA350Z will never be forgotten... if Kieran has his way

kieran_e1 · 12-04-2007, 09:05

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Originally Posted by Midgers

I agree with Junior about drawing lots for twinning. I never thought it was fair to put 1st against 16th... but then Kieran Vs the SVA350Z will never be forgotten... if Kieran has his way

good bump there midgers. cheques in the post!!

junior · 12-04-2007, 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midgers

I agree with Junior about drawing lots for twinning. I never thought it was fair to put 1st against 16th... but then Kieran Vs the SVA350Z will never be forgotten... if Kieran has his way

I was taking the piss dude, I don't see the point of seeding the drivers from 1-16 from qualification and then disregarding that seeding when the twin battles are run. I can understand your point, ya that it seems unfair that the 'weakest' driver gets put against the 'strongest' but that's the point of seeding like, if you perform best, you get the easiest path to the finals.

I mean if they are going to place people by how good their battle is then they shouldn't even bother running a final 8 etc - just run off the final 16 and pick the placings from there.

**Bon Bon** · 12-04-2007, 09:33

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Originally Posted by Midgers

I never thought it was fair to put 1st against 16th...

I disagree.

MR-steveo · 12-04-2007, 10:08

U Would Ha Ha

junior · 12-04-2007, 18:36

So is that end of discussion or explanation ?

EDC Admin · 12-04-2007, 21:58

The system/format we use was incepted by the D1 Corporation, it works and is accepted by those working or driving within it as the way to do things. We out of respects follow this system/format and accept it, rather than change it for the sake of trying to look like we know better. We assure you that if it was derogatory to Drifting we would look to change it, but it isn't so it stays.

If you feel a particular system/format is not working then perhaps it would be best if you set up your own Championship/Series and do your things your own way.

Regards,

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junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 927	Scoring System ? Guys can someone explain to me the championship scoring table ? I would have presumed first knocked out in final 16 is 16th and working up that way. And the same for the final 8/4 ?

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11-04-2007, 17:23	#2 (permalink)
hashiriya EDC実況 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mildenhall, Suffolk Posts: 2,477	first and second is obvious (I hope) 3/4th is judged through how well they performed in their semi final (They lost, but how close etc.) similarly for 5-8th and again for 9th and 10th. It's all about how well they did despite losing.

11-04-2007, 17:24	#3 (permalink)
junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 927	Why bother seeding drivers so ?

11-04-2007, 17:38	#5 (permalink)
junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 927	No not at all, what I mean I is this ... I'm taking it that you make the draw for the final 16 as 1 V 16, 2 V 15 etc ? So why bother with that system when you disregard it half way thru the day - If I qualify 16th and I'm in the first twin drift and I get knocked out I expect to be 16th, the next driver that get's knocked out surely should be 15th ?

11-04-2007, 18:59	#6 (permalink)
hashiriya EDC実況 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mildenhall, Suffolk Posts: 2,477	the tables are worked out in euch a way that in theory number 1 and 2 qualifiers meet in the final. so in theory: Final = 1Vs2 Semi = 1 Vs 4, 2 Vs 3 Top 8 = 1Vs8, 4Vs5, 2Vs7, 3Vs6 Top 16 = 1Vs16, 8Vs9, 4Vs13, 5Vs12, 2Vs15, 7Vs10, 3Vs14, 6Vs11 The running order of the Top 16 isn't the same... the order in which they get knocked out is irrelevant. In fact their qualification positions are quite irrelevant once the Top 16's start. Bit like qualifying in any normal race format, the fact that you took pole position means noting if you can't win the race

11-04-2007, 19:03	#7 (permalink)
sideways.taff -NightWalkers- Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Wales Posts: 5,518	IMO 3rd and 4th should be a run-off before the final. So a twin battle between the two losing semi-finalists determines who's on the podium and who isn't. I guess it isn't always possible due to time constraints.

11-04-2007, 19:10	#8 (permalink)
junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 927	Taking your example above then - I think it should work out like this ... Final 1 v 2 [Loser 2nd] Semi = 1 Vs 4 [Loser 4th], 2 Vs 3 [Loser 3rd] Top 8 = 1Vs8 [Loser 8th], 2Vs7 [Loser 7th], 3Vs6 [Loser 6th], 4Vs5 [Loser 5th] Top 16 = 1Vs16 [Loser 16th], 2Vs15 [Loser 15th], 3Vs14 [Loser 14th], 4Vs13 [Loser 13th], 5Vs12 [Loser 12th], 6Vs11 [Loser 11th], 7Vs10 [Loser 10th], 8Vs9 [Loser 9th] Because what your saying to me is that If I lost the 1 Vs 8 battle I could still place 5th and I don't think that's right like...

11-04-2007, 19:39	#9 (permalink)
superclarkey ______________ Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,249	There is not set way of judging... its done with a toss of a coin (or is that how i would do it) (TAIL TAILS!) (boo i loose)

11-04-2007, 23:53	#12 (permalink)
Midgers Get em! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Leuchars, Scotland Posts: 1,203	I agree with Junior about drawing lots for twinning. I never thought it was fair to put 1st against 16th... but then Kieran Vs the SVA350Z will never be forgotten... if Kieran has his way

12-04-2007, 10:08	#16 (permalink)
MR-steveo TNS MAN CHILD Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: mk Posts: 2,261	U Would Ha Ha

12-04-2007, 18:36	#17 (permalink)
junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 927	So is that end of discussion or explanation ?

12-04-2007, 21:58	#18 (permalink)
EDC Admin spl dori master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 295	The system/format we use was incepted by the D1 Corporation, it works and is accepted by those working or driving within it as the way to do things. We out of respects follow this system/format and accept it, rather than change it for the sake of trying to look like we know better. We assure you that if it was derogatory to Drifting we would look to change it, but it isn't so it stays. If you feel a particular system/format is not working then perhaps it would be best if you set up your own Championship/Series and do your things your own way. Regards,