Quick question for Sleepy..... - Page 3 - Drifting forum

suprmek1 · 04-06-2007, 22:57

do a round at the coombe was awsome at jap fest. you 2 made the most smoke ive ever seen without any fire present lol keep the quick tracks for edc

sidewaysbuff · 04-06-2007, 23:29

im only home and to be honest is upsetting to read so much negative shit about the weekend , myself and bon discussed this at length on the grid, i to thought we would have got another run ,i was in trouble at this stage with a badly slipping clutch , i had to straighten to see even where the track was most people here have no idea how much smoke there was with the 2 cars i couldnt see his car or the track it was totally blind, i feel the whole sport has got so political im seriouslythinking of pulling out for good i just dont see the sense some you win some you lose thats motorsport

**Bon Bon** · 05-06-2007, 08:11

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Originally Posted by sidewaysbuff

most people here have no idea how much smoke there was with the 2 cars i couldnt see his car or the track it was totally blind

Sweeeeeeet.

Not complaining Buff I was just questioning because I couldn't see from my perspective, but from what's been said above and the videos now I think the question has been answered really without needing to ask Sleepy in the end.

docwra · 05-06-2007, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewaysbuff

i had to straighten to see even where the track was most people here have no idea how much smoke there was with the 2 cars i couldnt see his car or the track it was totally blind,

I actually said that I thought you were driving using "the force" at one point

Legendary skills from both drivers

G-Man · 05-06-2007, 12:50

to quote bladey..."the boncinerator" was in full force, I said to hobs "how the frick has Buff not hit bonbon?! I cant even see bon's car and we're above them!!"
Sooooo much smoke!

Loved it!

Happydude · 05-06-2007, 12:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by docwra

Legendary skills from both drivers

Totally agree. Both drivers and cars were awesome to watch.

cptsideways · 05-06-2007, 12:55

Buff has a radar system in front bumper with a head up display for smoke screen situations, relayed via that little blue aerial on the boot

G-Man · 05-06-2007, 14:12

just nosing around on wikepedia (as you do...) and found this...
I know it's old news to most of us, but it does support everyhing we've been saying!
so here you go...its official.
Drift competition

Drifting competitions are judged based not on the time it takes to complete a course, but on line, angle, speed, and show factor. Line involves taking the correct line, which is usually announced beforehand by judges. Angle is the angle of a car in a drift, the more the better. Speed is the speed entering a turn, the speed through a turn, and the speed exiting the turn; faster is better. The show factor is based on multiple things, such as the amount of smoke, how close the car is from the wall, and the crowd's reaction.

To make judging less ambiguous, the DriftBox has been introduced to D1GP, it uses GPS/accelerometers to measure the angle, speed and g-force during a run. This takes the guesswork out of judging the angle and speed of the drift.

The judging takes place on just a small part of the circuit, a few linking corners that provide good viewing, and opportunities for drifting. The rest of the circuit is irrelevant, except as it pertains to setting up the car for the first judged corner. In the tandem passes, the lead driver often feints his or her entry to the first corner to upset the chase driver.

There are typically two sessions, a qualifying/practice session, and a final session. In the qualifying sessions, referred as Tansou (speed run), drifters get individual passes in front of judges (who may or may not be the final judges) to try and make the final 16. This is often on the day preceding the final.

The finals are tandem passes, referred as Tsuiso (chase attack). Drivers are paired off, and each heat comprises two passes, with each driver taking a turn to lead. The best of the 8 heats go to the next 4, to the next 2, to the final. The passes are judged as explained above, however there are some provisos such as:

* Overtaking the lead car under drift conditions almost always wins that pass.
* Overtaking the lead car under grip conditions automatically forfeits that pass.
* Spinning forfeits that pass, unless the other driver also spins.
* Increasing the lead under drift conditions helps to win that pass.
* Maintaining a close gap while chasing under drift conditions helps to win that pass.

Points are awarded for each pass, and usually one driver prevails. Sometimes the judges cannot agree, or cannot decide, or a crowd vocally disagrees with the judge's decision. In such cases more passes may be run until a winner is produced. Sometimes mechanical failure determines the battle's outcome, either during or preceding a heat. If a car cannot enter a tandem battle, the remaining entrant (who automatically advances) will give a solo demonstration pass. In the event of apparently close or tied runs, crowds often demonstrate their desire for another run with chants of 'one more time'

so there you have it...and i learn a new japanese word!

Damn I need to get out of plaster and find a job to keep me entertained!

cookwibble · 05-06-2007, 15:57

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Originally Posted by G-Man

To make judging less ambiguous, the DriftBox has been introduced to D1GP, it uses GPS/accelerometers to measure the angle, speed and g-force during a run. This takes the guesswork out of judging the angle and speed of the drift.

doesnt measure harcoreness/awesomness/having massive steel man balls/distance to other car though.

showmanship for the win, numbers are for geeks.

kieran_e1 · 05-06-2007, 15:58

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Originally Posted by cookwibble

doesnt measure harcoreness/awesomness/having massive steel man balls/distance to other car though.

showmanship for the win, numbers are for geeks.

that and it's 400 quid or something!!!

Sweeps · 05-06-2007, 16:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Man

In the event of apparently close or tied runs, crowds often demonstrate their desire for another run with chants of 'one more time'

So i was right on Sunday... Shame the rest of the BRDC stand didn't join in

G-Man · 05-06-2007, 16:52

yeah buddy you were right...
and about the box? I'm not suggesting anything i just lifted the page from wikepedia...

suprmek1 · 05-06-2007, 22:44

I shouted one more time and im sure one or 2 others did i think the crowed needed to know it was up to them tho

meeks · 06-06-2007, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Bon Bon

He straightened in the transition on the first run but then had the speed on luffield. Penalise for straightening, bonus for speed? Can't see 6/4 with a straighten up when it's that close??? Ok maybe slight advantage with speed...

.

the judge`n was all over the place at this event even worse than at donny, it seems that different drivers where gettin different scores for doing the same thing, bon bon you say 6/4 with a straighten up, in your top 16 run with alan mccord in the s15 you straighten`d twice in the one run and still only got a 6/4 against, other ppl with only one straightening where gettin 7/3`s also in close run`s, another example was niall gunn in the 180`sx against tony green in the rx7 both did the same mistake before the cone an one driver get`s a re-run an the other get`s kick`d from the event, no fault of either driver that got through but jus another example of the erratic judging at these events, the EDC is the biggest drift championship in europe and so should be judge`d to that standered, these guy`s put a lot of effort and money into these events jus to get sent home unfairly should not be the case. if like me you where at silverstone you would have heard how unhappy the crowd where at the judging, to keep the EDC growing and pulling in the crowd`s, erratic scoring needs to be sort`d.

Bladerider · 06-06-2007, 16:41

Wow,

What a fascinating first post

J.

Jib 21 · 06-06-2007, 16:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bladerider

Wow,

What a fascinating first post

J.

PMSL

(this post is about as constructive & fascinating as the other)

Flipfoot · 06-06-2007, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeks

the judge`n was all over the place at this event even worse than at donny, it seems that different drivers where gettin different scores for doing the same thing, bon bon you say 6/4 with a straighten up, in your top 16 run with alan mccord in the s15 you straighten`d twice in the one run and still only got a 6/4 against, other ppl with only one straightening where gettin 7/3`s also in close run`s, another example was niall gunn in the 180`sx against tony green in the rx7 both did the same mistake before the cone an one driver get`s a re-run an the other get`s kick`d from the event, no fault of either driver that got through but jus another example of the erratic judging at these events, the EDC is the biggest drift championship in europe and so should be judge`d to that standered, these guy`s put a lot of effort and money into these events jus to get sent home unfairly should not be the case. if like me you where at silverstone you would have heard how unhappy the crowd where at the judging, to keep the EDC growing and pulling in the crowd`s, erratic scoring needs to be sort`d.

NUFF SAID

docwra · 06-06-2007, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeks

the judge`n was all over the place at this event even worse than at donny, ..........

Thats all good mate. While you are here, what are you opinions on the latest advances in genomic technology, namely the effect that nanobiotechnology will have on the continued creation and sustainability of peptide strings, and the recent dissemination of their their validity as a genomic proteomic synthesis technique??

What - you mean you dont know what you are on about??

meeks · 06-06-2007, 19:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by docwra

Thats all good mate. While you are here, what are you opinions on the latest advances in genomic technology, namely the effect that nanobiotechnology will have on the continued creation and sustainability of peptide strings, and the recent dissemination of their their validity as a genomic proteomic synthesis technique??

What - you mean you dont know what you are on about??

yea your picture say`s enough to me that u`d know more about a drag event than a drift event

, the score`n was bad an you know it...

Bladerider · 06-06-2007, 19:23

Nah.....

Hows about we start him off with the basics ??????

Have you met my elbow ???

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04-06-2007, 22:57	#41 (permalink)
suprmek1 Dori Mechanic Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Torquay Posts: 1,229	do a round at the coombe was awsome at jap fest. you 2 made the most smoke ive ever seen without any fire present lol keep the quick tracks for edc

04-06-2007, 23:29	#42 (permalink)
sidewaysbuff touge runner Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 198	im only home and to be honest is upsetting to read so much negative shit about the weekend , myself and bon discussed this at length on the grid, i to thought we would have got another run ,i was in trouble at this stage with a badly slipping clutch , i had to straighten to see even where the track was most people here have no idea how much smoke there was with the 2 cars i couldnt see his car or the track it was totally blind, i feel the whole sport has got so political im seriouslythinking of pulling out for good i just dont see the sense some you win some you lose thats motorsport

05-06-2007, 12:50	#45 (permalink)
G-Man i do skids Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grantham Posts: 1,270	to quote bladey..."the boncinerator" was in full force, I said to hobs "how the frick has Buff not hit bonbon?! I cant even see bon's car and we're above them!!" Sooooo much smoke! Loved it!

05-06-2007, 12:55	#47 (permalink)
cptsideways Pimms O'clock Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: N Dorset Posts: 1,772	Buff has a radar system in front bumper with a head up display for smoke screen situations, relayed via that little blue aerial on the boot

05-06-2007, 14:12	#48 (permalink)
G-Man i do skids Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grantham Posts: 1,270	just nosing around on wikepedia (as you do...) and found this... I know it's old news to most of us, but it does support everyhing we've been saying! so here you go...its official. Drift competition Drifting competitions are judged based not on the time it takes to complete a course, but on line, angle, speed, and show factor. Line involves taking the correct line, which is usually announced beforehand by judges. Angle is the angle of a car in a drift, the more the better. Speed is the speed entering a turn, the speed through a turn, and the speed exiting the turn; faster is better. The show factor is based on multiple things, such as the amount of smoke, how close the car is from the wall, and the crowd's reaction. To make judging less ambiguous, the DriftBox has been introduced to D1GP, it uses GPS/accelerometers to measure the angle, speed and g-force during a run. This takes the guesswork out of judging the angle and speed of the drift. The judging takes place on just a small part of the circuit, a few linking corners that provide good viewing, and opportunities for drifting. The rest of the circuit is irrelevant, except as it pertains to setting up the car for the first judged corner. In the tandem passes, the lead driver often feints his or her entry to the first corner to upset the chase driver. There are typically two sessions, a qualifying/practice session, and a final session. In the qualifying sessions, referred as Tansou (speed run), drifters get individual passes in front of judges (who may or may not be the final judges) to try and make the final 16. This is often on the day preceding the final. The finals are tandem passes, referred as Tsuiso (chase attack). Drivers are paired off, and each heat comprises two passes, with each driver taking a turn to lead. The best of the 8 heats go to the next 4, to the next 2, to the final. The passes are judged as explained above, however there are some provisos such as: * Overtaking the lead car under drift conditions almost always wins that pass. * Overtaking the lead car under grip conditions automatically forfeits that pass. * Spinning forfeits that pass, unless the other driver also spins. * Increasing the lead under drift conditions helps to win that pass. * Maintaining a close gap while chasing under drift conditions helps to win that pass. Points are awarded for each pass, and usually one driver prevails. Sometimes the judges cannot agree, or cannot decide, or a crowd vocally disagrees with the judge's decision. In such cases more passes may be run until a winner is produced. Sometimes mechanical failure determines the battle's outcome, either during or preceding a heat. If a car cannot enter a tandem battle, the remaining entrant (who automatically advances) will give a solo demonstration pass. In the event of apparently close or tied runs, crowds often demonstrate their desire for another run with chants of 'one more time' so there you have it...and i learn a new japanese word! Damn I need to get out of plaster and find a job to keep me entertained!

05-06-2007, 16:52	#52 (permalink)
G-Man i do skids Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grantham Posts: 1,270	yeah buddy you were right... and about the box? I'm not suggesting anything i just lifted the page from wikepedia...

05-06-2007, 22:44	#53 (permalink)
suprmek1 Dori Mechanic Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Torquay Posts: 1,229	I shouted one more time and im sure one or 2 others did i think the crowed needed to know it was up to them tho

06-06-2007, 16:41	#55 (permalink)
Bladerider =The Guv'nor= Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Copying Lex's profile !!! Posts: 2,754	Wow, What a fascinating first post J.

06-06-2007, 19:23	#60 (permalink)
Bladerider =The Guv'nor= Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Copying Lex's profile !!! Posts: 2,754	Nah..... Hows about we start him off with the basics ?????? Have you met my elbow ???