Next Season....

[Bladerider]

I know what you mean Mike,

But its more of a way of simply covering the costs associated with running the drivers at the event rather than "money for drifting" If you wanted to charge a relative amount then it would be the case that DriftUK would be hiring Silverstone short circuit for practice days for 60 cars at £250each like you do on a bona fide track day, but they dont, they hire small venues with slow speeds becasue there are not 60 people willing to pay £250+ for a proper session on any one day.

You want to compete at the top level then you need to stop thinking like a pikey. Think like a pikey and compete at pikey level - Eurodrift will be the same in a few years if the sport grows and then NorthDrift, Southdrift and whatever new companies will fill in below them as the feeder for even more "grass roots" level competition for those that dont cant or wont spend on the entry, cage, safety, tyres etc etc

But lets not bog this thread down with the same old circular crap - lets concentrate on the way forward for the premier drift competition in europe, that admittedly isnt for every tom, dick and harry to just turn up at and think they can rock it because they can do Lydd at 40mph in 2nd.

J.

[MJG]

I think I get what you're saying Bladey, you rock it on a good track and pay the price?

I'm not thinking like a pikey... Then again maybe I am... But I thought drifting was about fun not about spunking cash to do a big handbrake powerslide on a bit of posh tarmac just to say "harr.. I did a faster powerslide than you!! but we still just paid loads of money to do it, 10 times"

[Danny Neville]

Lydd today, tomorrow....

[cookwibble]

just to clear up what i said. i have been to 1 edc round, 2 d1gb round, 1 UKD1 (2005 tyte yo!) round and 3 eurodrift ones, and the ones that got the most out of the crowd and in my opinion sold drifting best were one of the eurodrift ones and the ukd1 one. d1 and edc were run as competitions first from my eyes as a spectator whereas the others were shows. i was bored out of my mind at d1gb because i arrived at the start and by the time of the twinning had been there for 6 hours nearly! practice and preliminary qualifing in my opinion should be behind closed gates with the twinning and final qualifying open to the public, the public drifting maybe taking 2-3 hours max with at least 90% of that time with cars on the track.

im not in the mood for a flaming so i will reiterate:

this is based on spectatorizing at the above events, from somebody not new to drifting. to somebody new to it i think watching 3 hours of practice is going to dull the whole thing when it comes to the twin battles which is where the crowd really get going.

[Keefe]

The only thing that put me off going to some of the rounds was the fact it was run alongside a shit show. I fully understand the reasons for doing this, to bring it to a wider audience, and you can say that you can avoid the show but it still put me off going knowing i'd spend the day surrounded by fuckwits who think fiestas with a disco in the boot are cool.

[Bladerider]

LOL

It is kind of like that, but then I guess thats the way pretty much everything in life is. I was also enjoying taking the pis outta you cos you're such a keen young man with a full head of hair and not unattractive buttocks, ready for manly love

We all have fun in one way or another at EDC, its just at the end of the day we all want to win as well. Thats why Phil and BonBon go at it so hard, because whilst they are great mates, neither wants to finsh behind the other. I've had only a few tsuiso's and pretty much all of them were against people I consider to be mates, people I could expect to do me more good than harm in pretty much any situation.

Except Paz.......cos he drives a car with more nicknames than horsepowers
And Johnston.............cos he's a bad loser
And Tony Green.......he's from the southern hemisphere, and basically cant be trusted
And the Harrison chap.........have you heard his accent ??? Buckles just as bad !!!!!

I guess that only leaves Stiggy, and I like twinning with him as it usually involves sand, gravel and a nice rest

J.

[Baba]

Originally Posted by MJG

I think I get what you're saying Bladey, you rock it on a good track and pay the price?

I'm not thinking like a pikey... Then again maybe I am... But I thought drifting was about fun not about spunking cash to do a big handbrake powerslide on a bit of posh tarmac just to say "harr.. I did a faster powerslide than you!! but we still just paid loads of money to do it, 10 times"

Blunt... but the truth im afraid. I know I will get hated for agreeing with Mike but there is some truth in his words.

[Bladerider]

Originally Posted by cookwibble

just to clear up what i said. i have been to 1 edc round, 2 d1gb round, 1 UKD1 (2005 tyte yo!) round and 3 eurodrift ones, and the ones that got the most out of the crowd and in my opinion sold drifting best were one of the eurodrift ones and the ukd1 one. d1 and edc were run as competitions first from my eyes as a spectator whereas the others were shows. i was bored out of my mind at d1gb because i arrived at the start and by the time of the twinning had been there for 6 hours nearly! practice and preliminary qualifing in my opinion should be behind closed gates with the twinning and final qualifying open to the public, the public drifting maybe taking 2-3 hours max with at least 90% of that time with cars on the track.

im not in the mood for a flaming so i will reiterate:

this is based on spectatorizing at the above events, from somebody not new to drifting. to somebody new to it i think watching 3 hours of practice is going to dull the whole thing when it comes to the twin battles which is where the crowd really get going.

Im not gonna flame you,

I would simply point out that some have already said they feel the ticket price is high, thats when it also includes a major car show (whether its to your taste or not is kind of academic), other on track entertainment and better seating and ameneties than any of the Teeside/Lydd/Wheels type venues can offer (not that Im picking on them either btw)


J.

[cookwibble]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

Im not gonna flame you,

I would simply point out that some have already said they feel the ticket price is high, thats when it also includes a major car show (whether its to your taste or not is kind of academic), other on track entertainment and better seating and ameneties than any of the Teeside/Lydd/Wheels type venues can offer (not that Im picking on them either btw)


J.

eternal dilemna innit

cant please all of the people all of the time.

its unfortunate that drifting on its own cant pull the crowds yet. so it is, as you say, up to us to make it happen.

[Bladerider]

Originally Posted by Baba

Blunt... but the truth im afraid. I know I will get hated for agreeing with Mike but there is some truth in his words.

I dont understand the "Im gonna get hated for having an opinion thing"

Its cool to have and voice an opinion, its the way its done that sometimes worthy of ridicule, or just being way off of whack of course !!!

Drifting as a hobby IS all about fun. Drifting as a sport starts off just being about fun, but the instant you have any form of competition it starts to "mean" more and people take it more seriously. Thats not to say we dont have fun (which all these people who have never even tried for an EDC licence seem to know so much about ) but we have fun during the off track or watching bits, and then its time for your race face and giving it your best - which should give you a buzz, fun, whatever you want from it - but it is no longer "just about fun skidding with your mates" its also about doing as well as you can against yourself, against the guy next to you and against the track.

Thats why these forums are good and bad, one mans hobby is another mans sport os another mans job. Each has a different objective and you're never going to reconcile them all in a single set of brackets.

J.

[Bladerider]

Originally Posted by cookwibble

cant please all of the people all of the time.

Spot on.

Hence why you cant have one class for all people to compete in as its unrealistic. But that shouldnt mean that each class gets attacked or belittled for the reasons behind it, or that drift belongs to any one "group" whose opinion of it is specific to that group.

However with the greatest of respect, this isnt exactly staying on topic, which was about the FUTURE OF EDC for next season, ideas to help it be more popular or attractive, rather than the ethics of todays drifting and what constitutes a valid ethos behind a certain class of event.

J.

[Bladerider]

Originally Posted by Danny

Lydd today, tomorrow....

Maccy D's knowing you !!!

[driftpromotion]

The EDC is already a well respected championship when it comes to drivers from the continent. I think many were just waiting to see how it evolved after the failure of D1 corp. to finance the transport of UK drivers to the USA and the identity change to EDC.

I already had some drivers of various nationalities asking about participating in the EDC in 2008, mainly because there is just as much chopping and changing, uncertainty, lack of tracktime and general varying quality of events here too. The most competitive drivers have not had much to get their teeth into in 2007 on the continent, so with luck 2008 will be a better year all round.

Moving a lot of drivers around will take funding. Sponsors are just starting to pop their heads up so it's likely to happen..but will just take some time.

[sidewaysmatt]

Went to JTS at Silverstone and even though the main thing I went to see was EDC, there was still plenty of track action in between the EDC boys being on track, and didn't mind paying 15 quid for the privalege.

[cptsideways]

As for tagging alongwith other shows.... yes I agree if it helps pay the bills, provide a venue & gets the sponsosrs but only at real venues please, tag along with some proper shows like Japfest, Trax etc. The questions I received whilst parked in the pits from the Chavs over the weekend almost had me & the rest of pits in tears with laughter - they obviously were not into cars per-se but the crooozin scene, plastic padding & stereos. I'm not sure we'll be winning many long term fans from the weekend.

The series needs some lifestyle marketing, make it an extreme sport (as thats what it is) needs much more info on individual drivers, let people get to know the drivers better. I bet not one chav from the weekend could name more than 2 drivers if that.

Demo events, bar the motorsport show not a single official EDC demo anywhere in the UK (that I know of) but a good few drivers would have been up for it. Plenty of potential there, though I did my bit to promote EDC on the Demo's I was involved in off my own back & for my sponsors, the turnout at Knockhill IMHO was largely down to myself & Mr Luney putting on several shows throughout the year & doing the PR thing, I spent much time on the mike at the events letting the punters know what was on & when & it showed, Knockhill gave us flyers to hand out too & we gave tons out. The number of them who came up to me & knew my name, knew the car, where I was from, asked if I'd driven up again! & I'm probably the farthest you can get from knockhill of all the drivers, just goes to show.


Please don't take this as a rant, but it's got me thinking so I thought I'd say what needs to be said. The guys do a tremendous job on the day, the organisation is great but the PR/Marketing/promotion side needs a damn good kicking up the backside if its to be where we all want it to be in the future. PR does'nt need to cost lots if anything to get results. I'm sure we'd all like to go to an MSC event why thats then? cos you saw it on youtube - A lot to be said for viral type marketing especially the business were in, nuff said

[Keefe]

Originally Posted by cptsideways

As for tagging alongwith other shows.... yes I agree if it helps pay the bills, provide a venue & gets the sponsosrs but only at real venues please, tag along with some proper shows like Japfest, Trax etc. The questions I received whilst parked in the pits from the Chavs over the weekend almost had me & the rest of pits in tears with laughter - they obviously were not into cars per-se but the crooozin scene, plastic padding & stereos. I'm not sure we'll be winning many long term fans from the weekend.

Thats what i was trying to say, you're evidently better with the words though!

[Danny Neville]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

Maccy D's knowing you !!!

Coming to a Maccy D's near you !!!

[sidewaysmatt]

I agree. EDC needs to be kept seperate from the chav shows, but it needs to be attached to shows and events for people who are passionate about cars and not hanging around in car parks talking about Novas and Fiestas

[neil c]

why not have edc and eurodrift etc on the same day at the same venue, surely that would give a constant days drifting and great entertainment???

[SteveC200]

Originally Posted by neil c

why not have edc and eurodrift etc on the same day at the same venue, surely that would give a constant days drifting and great entertainment???

A good suggestion and one that would be great but making it happen would be difficult. Two different tracks would be needed for each level and having those two tracks in the same area for spectators to see without walking miles would make venue choice pretty tricky.