Edc 2008 ??

[FlikstRR]

naaa dan you want dark fire graphix.. you'll see

Cheers for the info mitto.. i thought i saw steve-o with the gfx on his ride too?

edit: lol speak of the devil..

[mittomatto]

Originally Posted by MR-steveo

Im not a gayer, pazzy is just gay for me ha ha ha you bummer

sorry KA KA, im only just beggining to deal with how huge TNS has become i added yous too!

[sideways.taff]

Originally Posted by Paz

Thats close enough, and were actually nice guys! Honest.

Lies! All lies!!!

[Sweeps]

Originally Posted by DavidRuston

Can you confirm that EDC will again run in 2008?

Can we have some more details please EDC peeps as sponsors are starting to ask questions

[Euge]

Originally Posted by mittomatto

TNS was created by Paz and a dude called Mark in 1999, in 2000 myself and James Wolstenholme (driftybollox aka James Cock) joined, in 2001 TNS split, Mark did lifestyle and Paz did drifting. The lifestyle side of TNS died as the Drift Family was born, although the family includes drift lovers from way back in the day. Our members include -

Pazza
Mitto
JC
Ade Parkinson!
Phil Morrison
Jay Walker
James Robinson
Kenny Lam
Matt T
Bondor
Oli
Alex (corolla RWD)
Si (london Si!)
Euge (gay music dj)
Lee Pendlebury
Glen Horncastle (EDC)
Steveoooooooooooooooooooo! KA KA!

Pazza is the boss of TNS, he makes the rules. Paz is actually the king of drifting. We also have friends of TNS which includes old school ballers like Julian Smith, Brett Castle and even guys like Benson Hsu.

so thats TNS, in short, we will kick your ass x

wew im not a 'gay music' dj you litle c**t!

[SteveC200]

Or did he mean a 'gay' music dj?

[Chris_200SX]

what is the process for getting an EDC license, eventually i would like to compete with the big boys of UK drifting. Is it a case of turning up to a license day?

[Username]

yep

[autotorque]

Originally Posted by Chris_200SX

what is the process for getting an EDC license, eventually i would like to compete with the big boys of UK drifting. Is it a case of turning up to a license day?

pass think ya gotta be an egosistical superstar with a flash ass car who is willing to perform favours in order to get licence granted....but im sure someone will correct me lol, chris youve proven that you can take on and match what the "so called big boys of drifting" do at there own game, only way to get your name out there is keep doing what ya doing winning, putting in the excellent runs and dragging your asses out to the copms, out of interest how many of the edc "big boys" as you put it bothered to attend the open maybe us club level guys like u, ren, chunk have them runnnig scared hahaha,

[hashiriya]

Originally Posted by autotorque

pass think ya gotta be an egosistical superstar with a flash ass car who is willing to perform favours in order to get licence granted....but im sure someone will correct me lol, chris youve proven that you can take on and match what the "so called big boys of drifting" do at there own game, only way to get your name out there is keep doing what ya doing winning, putting in the excellent runs and dragging your asses out to the copms, out of interest how many of the edc "big boys" as you put it bothered to attend the open maybe us club level guys like u, ren, chunk have them runnnig scared hahaha,

Thats challenging speak and I rather resent your comments but I'll take it as your opinon. Don't forget the EDC "big boys" as you put it are best Europe has to offer and deserve a decent platform in which to showcase their abilities.

The full details will be laid out soon. The organisers have been busy and away frmo the country and will be back into full swing over the next few weeks. Please be patient and I'm sure the EDC bosses will be able to fill you in with some real exciting news for 2008.

[Bladerider]

In fairness,

As an EDC competitor what would be the incentive to drive at "The Open"

It was likely to be a bit of a shambles, and even if the event was awesome if an EDC driver won it all people would say was "Well of course he won - he's EDC" and if you lost then you're a target for people to either deride as not good enough or the person that beat you should be in EDC instead of you, or possibly worst of all the chap who has just won gets his (or her) result tarnished with "The EDC guy obviously had a problem or a bad day which is why they won" so its pretty unfair all round imho.

As Lydd proved last year, EDC cars are not necessarily the best cars for the tracks and venues some of these one off events are held at - my own car is a complete pig now, even to get it round Pod nicely, but its still not grippy enough to keep with Bon or Phil on the fast courses.

Hopefully next year there will be other options as dicussed in the debate thread. Plenty of time for these questions next year when you will still have months to practice, car specs are already known which is the only thing that requires time to get ready for next season.

J.

[Stavros]

Originally Posted by autotorque

pass think ya gotta be an egosistical superstar with a flash ass car who is willing to perform favours in order to get licence granted....but im sure someone will correct me lol, chris youve proven that you can take on and match what the "so called big boys of drifting" do at there own game, only way to get your name out there is keep doing what ya doing winning, putting in the excellent runs and dragging your asses out to the copms, out of interest how many of the edc "big boys" as you put it bothered to attend the open maybe us club level guys like u, ren, chunk have them runnnig scared hahaha,

WTF you on about?! EDC licencing is open to whoever, and its clear to see from the ones ive been to (this year it was 1 at silverstone for rd2 and one at knockhill for rd3) that most the ones going for it dont get it, and dont for good reason.
And the EDC drivers who did ED this year, pretty much kicked ass.

People attend stuff that look good, people seem to forget events cost a lot to get to and compete in, so 1-off's on broken bits of racecourse tarmac isnt too appealing to most.

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by Bladerider

In fairness,

As an EDC competitor what would be the incentive to drive at "The Open"

It was likely to be a bit of a shambles, and even if the event was awesome if an EDC driver won it all people would say was "Well of course he won - he's EDC" and if you lost then you're a target for people to either deride as not good enough or the person that beat you should be in EDC instead of you, or possibly worst of all the chap who has just won gets his (or her) result tarnished with "The EDC guy obviously had a problem or a bad day which is why they won" so its pretty unfair all round imho.

In theory yes, but personally I think there are drivers in EDC that shouldn't actually be there, and would be mediocre in Eurodrift Pro class. Some drivers from ED Pro could happily rock it with the EDC competitors, and some of the ams have gone straight to pro with a bullet this year, and sometimes you don't actually know how good you are until you compete against someone supposedly better, some of the guys at the weekend sucked in practice, then pulled it out the bag for the comp with no worries. Some did the exact opposite.

There doesn't seem to be a magical cut off point at which you outgrow ED and hit a level by where you are an EDC driver. Like I said, without mentioning names some people should be competing in ED Pro not EDC, and some ED Pro guys should be in EDC.

Also some will choose to stay in ED Pro rather than go to EDC because of the different style in which the events are run and the people they want to hang around/drift with. Drifting for many is still about 'the craic' as well as competeing against other good drivers. IF all your mates do Eurodrift then you'll be there, even though you might be plenty good enough for EDC, and the fact that EDC is higher profile.

On a side note I'm going to Enter whatever competitions will have me next year, Am I good enough? not sure. Will the car be good enough? Dunno. I'll decide early next year when I've finished the car and got to a couple of practice days for shakedown.

[Glen]

The EDC licensing system works well and was put together with a lot of thought, time, expertise and consideration and is open to anyone showing they are capable of handling a Drift car at high speed with challenging technical aspects. The major concern for us is driver safety followed by a high degree of technical accuracy.

On any given day a driver may have a bad or good day (take Phil at Donington this year - sorry Phil ) and therefore it may seem they are not running too well so dont get fooled by what you see on one day as the technical aspects and driver control required has a thin line at our events with no room for error(s). A drivers ability to compete safely is most important to us.

As with ED some guys have great days and look like they can mix it with the best but thats down to the circuits used and the technical aspects of the course regarding what they have to achieve and again on some days certain drivers look like they cam mix it with the EDC drivers and they do. From what I have seen this year ED drivers have gained immensley by having some of the EDC boys enter which can only be good.

Clearly from your post Autotorque you are new to the 'ins and outs' of Drift so feel free to pm or email me for further information (or advice) or even a general chat on the behind the scenes schematics of licensing and competition(s).


Planet Cas must be a great place to be

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by Glen

Planet Cas must be a great place to be

There is nothing wrong with EDC, all the drivers are top notch superstars, who could never be beaten by anybody from eurodrift, under any circumstances, anybody that even remotely questions any aspect of EDC must be a fruitloop, and must be disregarded.

Yes thanks, planet Cas is a bloody wonderful place to be. Such clarity.

Anyways, now we've dispensed with that apsect of things, heres what was actually being said/suggested:

A] I'm not sugesting there is anything wrong with the EDC licensing system. I'm sure the drivers that don't seem as good as the rest did very well on thier licensing day.

B] Eurodrift drivers, some are consistent enough and good enough to enter. And its not because they are good on some poxy second gear cone track, they would do well at somewhere like silverstone too. Irrelevant becuase its thier choice where they compete.

C] I think I gained immensely driving against Peter Barber and Declan Hicks at rotorstock, Its an honour to drive with EDC drivers, even if it is on a cone track.

D] Stop being so defensive Glen! not everything I say is a sarcastic, bitter assault on anything more bling than a Turweston day. I have had a recent self attitude re-adjustment especially in terms of drifting, I happen to think EDC is a very good thing and due to current circumstances (that I'm not going into and don't want to be part of AT ALL) may soon be all we have left.

[Danny Neville]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

B] And its not because they are good on some poxy second gear cone track, they would do well at somewhere like silverstone too.

On this note, when you're trying to get yourself up to EDC standard it's difficult to find anywhere to practice anything more than second gear cone tracks, or twinning at all. This needs to be addressed.

Sorry to go off topic.

[suprmek1]

TDW is a good cheap place to do high speed stuff and i think santa pod days are sorting some high speed practice irc HIGH JACK over but more EDC type practice would be nice

[Glen]

Originally Posted by Mad Cas

D] Stop being so defensive Glen! not everything I say is a sarcastic, bitter assault on anything more bling than a Turweston day. I have had a recent self attitude re-adjustment especially in terms of drifting, I happen to think EDC is a very good thing and due to current circumstances (that I'm not going into and don't want to be part of AT ALL) may soon be all we have left.

Chill out man-your too damn tense

[Mad Cas]

Originally Posted by Glen

Chill out man-your too damn tense

Yeah, true. I need a massage.

[Alex B]

Originally Posted by Danny Neville

On this note, when you're trying to get yourself up to EDC standard it's difficult to find anywhere to practice anything more than second gear cone tracks, or twinning at all. This needs to be addressed.

Sorry to go off topic.

Wasn't Drift Central supposed to be used for EDC level practice days, or was that just for EDC licensed drivers?

I know there are issues with Drift Central, but it shows that it has been thought about, just needs a new venue.

Alex B