EDC 'on the day' Event Details - Twin Battles Rule - Drifting forum

EDC Admin · 26-03-2009, 14:15

For 2009 EDC will be using the following event format and the most interesting part of this will be:

NO QUALIFYING

Yes you heard it correctly......no qualifying. The problem we have seen over the past few years is the exclusion of drivers who don't make it to the Twin Battles which let’s face it is what drivers, spectators and sponsors want to really see them doing. EDC drivers are of the caliber that excluding them from the main event is not the right thing to do for numerous reasons.

We are not reinventing the wheel we are simply evolving it into a system that works for the competitors and spectators.

The qualifying does have some benefit in some ways but is outweighed by those drivers not getting into the top 16 and being excluded from competing in the main event which can sometimes be derogatory to their chances of sponsorship and also the opportunity for them to improve their ability by competing in Twin Battles with various drivers. Let’s not forget as event organisers we have a responsibility to the guys that spend a lot effort and money to get to the events only to miss out sometimes so close in qualifying, plus let’s not forget the guys who sometimes have a stupid small problem with their vehicle(s) in qualifying and then have to sit the event out.

Our plan is to ensure ALL those drivers that enter an EDC event get to compete in the Twin Battles in front of the crowds and to not miss out on any aspects of the main part of the event..........it's that simple.

How will Qualifying work then you ask?

When the drivers are practicing we will be having the crowd pull out of two bags numbers that relate to the drivers numbers/names. The two bags will have numbers/names as follows:

Bag 1 - the top half of the Championship table from EDC 08
Bag 2 - the remaining half of the Championship table from 08 plus any newcomers/wildcards

Simplified this means the following:
• If we have say 28 drivers enter a round then Bag 1 will contain the top 14 drivers and Bag 2 the remaining 14 drivers
• If we have an odd number of drivers then the odd driver will be in Bag 2 meaning the last driver called will get a 'by' in the first round, this will not be a top half of the championship driver but possibly a newcomer or wildcard which is good news for them
• The first 14 2008 Championship drivers will never meet in the first round meaning No.1 and No.2 from 2008 will not meet in the first round of twin battles as per usual.
• The numbers/names will be picked out of Bags 1 and 2 by spectators which will mean more spectator involvement.
• After practice drivers will return to the pits past the spectators in there pairings.
Maz has already been working on a software program for some time that takes into account any amount of competitors and ensures the whole thing works smoothly, he has spent ages on this and it works superbly, no doubt Maz will be on this thread so he can answer any questions/concerns.

This idea is simplicity and not a complicated or biased system, it gives every driver the opportunity to do what they want to do - get into the Main Event/Finals and ultimately the Twin Battles.

A few existing EDC drivers have been told about this previously and they all agree it is a great idea and can only benefit Drift due to its simplicity, ability to help new drivers compete in Twin Battles so they learn more and a more action packed approach for the spectators.

Glen & Andy

Stavros · 26-03-2009, 14:30

Quality! Twinning is always 999 times more exciting to watch than qualfying anyhow, good move.

Should really get the crowds glued to their seats, will be mint

**James** · 26-03-2009, 14:33

Cool

That should see some more happy spectators

2DRIFT · 26-03-2009, 14:34

So from round 2 the top half of the drivers (bag1) will be from the top drivers from previous round not 08? Would seem fair as similar to the top 6 pre qualifying in 08. And would be fair on the new drivers entering edc for 09.
I really like the idea, will mean the crowd see the true form of drift battles thoughout the whole event. James.

EDC Admin · 26-03-2009, 14:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2DRIFT

So from round 2 the top half of the drivers will be from the previous round not 08? Would seem fair as similar to the top 6 pre qualifying in 08. And would be fair on the new drivers entering edc for 09.
I really like the idea, will mean the crowd see the true form of drift battles thoughout the whole event. James.

Thats correct James - it's still all about how you do from the previous Round which is by far the fairest way.

Of course for Round 1 the 2008 Championship table finishing positions count but after that it's open season

Glen

Kerbsty · 26-03-2009, 15:12

Excellent!

As the saying goes "Everyone's a winner"

Better for the drivers, awesome for the expectators so everyone will be happy

Well done all

hashiriya · 26-03-2009, 15:52

As you have already worked out. the first bag with the "top" drivers will be the ones who are highest ranking in the championship at the time. This does mean that

rd1 will have the top half from last years overall championship position
rd2 will be based on the results of rd1 only
rd3 onwards will be the 09 championship up until that point

As you have already said, the qualifying is not quite the spectacle it should be and so due to the increased levels and it being safe for all competitors to do some tsuisou runs, they might as well all get the chance.

Also the people who would have qualified "skin of their teeth" would normally have to face the championship leader in the first round and they would not normally stand much of a chance. It's now wide open and down to a bit of luck too

I hope that you'll all like the new system. I've spent many hours working out the specifics from the ideas that Glen and I discussed and I hope it will work really well. Maybe a couple teething problems in the first round or two but some that we should be able to overcome quickly.

So come and see the new system for yourself at Rd1 in only a few weeks time.

I look forward to meeting you there.

Albert · 26-03-2009, 15:58

It'll be a lot of fun Maz, really looking forward to this season.

alex_200sx · 26-03-2009, 19:27

Fair play to you guys for mixing things up a little bit, gonna be a really good year.

Kev · 26-03-2009, 19:30

oh thats gonna be interesting

Everyone qualifies

Will there still be a practice sesh or will it be that the drivers first run will be in a twin, cos that would be cool..... but possibly carnage

the stig · 26-03-2009, 19:51

oh i like

EDC TEAM

Baba · 26-03-2009, 20:00

Wow!!! That is such an awesome idea!

It is extremely heart breaking when you work so hard to get to events but don't get to twin.

This is an awesome idea EDC. Well done

IrishPaddy · 26-03-2009, 22:31

thats a fantastic idea

it will really see some lower down drivers get to compete with some of the more elite drivers...

top stuff...

EDC Admin · 26-03-2009, 23:10

Cheers for the solid responses guys.

It's all about keeping it simple and not over complicating things.

JacobPhoto · 27-03-2009, 00:14

hmmm. interesting idea, but i'm curious how this all works after the first round.

I understand the pairing, but what happens if you don't have a number that breaks down well? Let's say you have 22 drivers...

2nd round would have 11 drivers... who gets the bye? Assuming you give 1 driver the bye, that leaves you with 6 drivers for the next round, which divides evenly, but that leaves 3 drivers after that. How do you get those 3 drivers to fight for the podium? You can't automatically just 'give' someone a bye into the championship round...

Polo · 27-03-2009, 00:51

Sweet, cool idea!!

i always hated the 1st qualifer against the 16th!! makes it too easy for 1st to progress and 16th to go out! This should mix things up a bit and make it more intresting

Full season payment on its way

hashiriya · 27-03-2009, 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobPhoto

hmmm. interesting idea, but i'm curious how this all works after the first round.

I understand the pairing, but what happens if you don't have a number that breaks down well? Let's say you have 22 drivers...

2nd round would have 11 drivers... who gets the bye? Assuming you give 1 driver the bye, that leaves you with 6 drivers for the next round, which divides evenly, but that leaves 3 drivers after that. How do you get those 3 drivers to fight for the podium? You can't automatically just 'give' someone a bye into the championship round...

If you have 22 drivers, you put them into the top 22 places of a 32 car tournament. With the absence of cars 23-32 (10 cars) the people in positions 1-10 will get byes but those in 11-22 won't. At this point you have 16 left for the next round then the normal tournament pattern continues

EDC Admin · 27-03-2009, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by JacobPhoto

hmmm. interesting idea, but i'm curious how this all works after the first round.

I understand the pairing, but what happens if you don't have a number that breaks down well? Let's say you have 22 drivers...

2nd round would have 11 drivers... who gets the bye? Assuming you give 1 driver the bye, that leaves you with 6 drivers for the next round, which divides evenly, but that leaves 3 drivers after that. How do you get those 3 drivers to fight for the podium? You can't automatically just 'give' someone a bye into the championship round...

Hi Jacob,

it's ok your american and we knew you guys wouldn't get it straight away

as it's just too simple - you guys always seem to like to over complicate things sometimes for no reason

Hows life with you and the missus anyway

Glen

Glen

royal · 27-03-2009, 09:57

Great idea EDC. I'm sure everyone from drivers to the crowd will benefit massively.

Pulsatingstar · 27-03-2009, 10:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by hashiriya

If you have 22 drivers, you put them into the top 22 places of a 32 car tournament. With the absence of cars 23-32 (10 cars) the people in positions 1-10 will get byes but those in 11-22 won't. At this point you have 16 left for the next round then the normal tournament pattern continues

I think the idea is great.

However in the example above, wouldnt that mean youd have 10 lower ranked drivers getting a bye whilst your championship top 12 halved their competitors against each other before the expected lower rank driver are in the tournamnet?

26-03-2009, 14:15	#1 (permalink)
EDC Admin spl dori master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 407	EDC 'on the day' Event Details - Twin Battles Rule For 2009 EDC will be using the following event format and the most interesting part of this will be: NO QUALIFYING Yes you heard it correctly......no qualifying. The problem we have seen over the past few years is the exclusion of drivers who don't make it to the Twin Battles which let’s face it is what drivers, spectators and sponsors want to really see them doing. EDC drivers are of the caliber that excluding them from the main event is not the right thing to do for numerous reasons. We are not reinventing the wheel we are simply evolving it into a system that works for the competitors and spectators. The qualifying does have some benefit in some ways but is outweighed by those drivers not getting into the top 16 and being excluded from competing in the main event which can sometimes be derogatory to their chances of sponsorship and also the opportunity for them to improve their ability by competing in Twin Battles with various drivers. Let’s not forget as event organisers we have a responsibility to the guys that spend a lot effort and money to get to the events only to miss out sometimes so close in qualifying, plus let’s not forget the guys who sometimes have a stupid small problem with their vehicle(s) in qualifying and then have to sit the event out. Our plan is to ensure ALL those drivers that enter an EDC event get to compete in the Twin Battles in front of the crowds and to not miss out on any aspects of the main part of the event..........it's that simple. How will Qualifying work then you ask? When the drivers are practicing we will be having the crowd pull out of two bags numbers that relate to the drivers numbers/names. The two bags will have numbers/names as follows: Bag 1 - the top half of the Championship table from EDC 08 Bag 2 - the remaining half of the Championship table from 08 plus any newcomers/wildcards Simplified this means the following: • If we have say 28 drivers enter a round then Bag 1 will contain the top 14 drivers and Bag 2 the remaining 14 drivers • If we have an odd number of drivers then the odd driver will be in Bag 2 meaning the last driver called will get a 'by' in the first round, this will not be a top half of the championship driver but possibly a newcomer or wildcard which is good news for them • The first 14 2008 Championship drivers will never meet in the first round meaning No.1 and No.2 from 2008 will not meet in the first round of twin battles as per usual. • The numbers/names will be picked out of Bags 1 and 2 by spectators which will mean more spectator involvement. • After practice drivers will return to the pits past the spectators in there pairings. Maz has already been working on a software program for some time that takes into account any amount of competitors and ensures the whole thing works smoothly, he has spent ages on this and it works superbly, no doubt Maz will be on this thread so he can answer any questions/concerns. This idea is simplicity and not a complicated or biased system, it gives every driver the opportunity to do what they want to do - get into the Main Event/Finals and ultimately the Twin Battles. A few existing EDC drivers have been told about this previously and they all agree it is a great idea and can only benefit Drift due to its simplicity, ability to help new drivers compete in Twin Battles so they learn more and a more action packed approach for the spectators. Glen & Andy __________________ All-new Need For Speed European Drift Championship website Teams, drivers, information and merchandise now all online Last edited by EDC Admin; 26-03-2009 at 18:26. Reason: Spelling

26-03-2009, 14:30	#2 (permalink)
Stavros DEYTUKURJURBS Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under the sea Posts: 14,096	Quality! Twinning is always 999 times more exciting to watch than qualfying anyhow, good move. Should really get the crowds glued to their seats, will be mint __________________

26-03-2009, 14:33	#3 (permalink)
James Lights out! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham UK Posts: 8,796	Cool That should see some more happy spectators __________________ The Driftworks Control System 2. In Stock Now!

26-03-2009, 15:12	#6 (permalink)
Kerbsty dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: nutsville! Posts: 869	Excellent! As the saying goes "Everyone's a winner" Better for the drivers, awesome for the expectators so everyone will be happy Well done all __________________ www.teamtwisted.net

26-03-2009, 15:52	#7 (permalink)
hashiriya EDC審査員 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Mildenhall, Suffolk Posts: 2,736	As you have already worked out. the first bag with the "top" drivers will be the ones who are highest ranking in the championship at the time. This does mean that rd1 will have the top half from last years overall championship position rd2 will be based on the results of rd1 only rd3 onwards will be the 09 championship up until that point As you have already said, the qualifying is not quite the spectacle it should be and so due to the increased levels and it being safe for all competitors to do some tsuisou runs, they might as well all get the chance. Also the people who would have qualified "skin of their teeth" would normally have to face the championship leader in the first round and they would not normally stand much of a chance. It's now wide open and down to a bit of luck too I hope that you'll all like the new system. I've spent many hours working out the specifics from the ideas that Glen and I discussed and I hope it will work really well. Maybe a couple teething problems in the first round or two but some that we should be able to overcome quickly. So come and see the new system for yourself at Rd1 in only a few weeks time. I look forward to meeting you there. __________________ Excuse me if I sound controversial... I have an inability to lie and a strong intolerance to idiots.

26-03-2009, 15:58	#8 (permalink)
Albert spl dori master Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 314	It'll be a lot of fun Maz, really looking forward to this season.

26-03-2009, 19:27	#9 (permalink)
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26-03-2009, 19:30	#10 (permalink)
Kev Drifty Bodger Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 292	oh thats gonna be interesting Everyone qualifies Will there still be a practice sesh or will it be that the drivers first run will be in a twin, cos that would be cool..... but possibly carnage __________________

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26-03-2009, 20:00	#12 (permalink)
Baba A Super Slider Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East London Posts: 6,381	Wow!!! That is such an awesome idea! It is extremely heart breaking when you work so hard to get to events but don't get to twin. This is an awesome idea EDC. Well done __________________ Bollywood's best drifter... www.TeamSuperSlide.com

26-03-2009, 22:31	#13 (permalink)
IrishPaddy Rain Dancer Join Date: May 2005 Location: Very North Dublin Posts: 377	thats a fantastic idea it will really see some lower down drivers get to compete with some of the more elite drivers... top stuff... __________________

26-03-2009, 23:10	#14 (permalink)
EDC Admin spl dori master Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 407	Cheers for the solid responses guys. It's all about keeping it simple and not over complicating things. __________________ All-new Need For Speed European Drift Championship website Teams, drivers, information and merchandise now all online

27-03-2009, 00:14	#15 (permalink)
JacobPhoto spl dori master Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SoCal, USA Posts: 317	hmmm. interesting idea, but i'm curious how this all works after the first round. I understand the pairing, but what happens if you don't have a number that breaks down well? Let's say you have 22 drivers... 2nd round would have 11 drivers... who gets the bye? Assuming you give 1 driver the bye, that leaves you with 6 drivers for the next round, which divides evenly, but that leaves 3 drivers after that. How do you get those 3 drivers to fight for the podium? You can't automatically just 'give' someone a bye into the championship round... __________________ ~ Freelance photographer from the bloody states! ~ EverythingDrift ~ Myspace

27-03-2009, 00:51	#16 (permalink)
Polo Team Green! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In the workshop! Posts: 4,682	Sweet, cool idea!! i always hated the 1st qualifer against the 16th!! makes it too easy for 1st to progress and 16th to go out! This should mix things up a bit and make it more intresting Full season payment on its way __________________

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