Tim Marshall vs Mike Gaynor - in car from Round 2 EDC Knockhill

[106rallye]

Originally Posted by bren

Ive only just been pointed in the direction of the other thread where Tim got a repeated and constant kicking. I was under the impression that the drift fraternity was a friendly place and the way we were treated by the Driftworks team, Western, SVA etc at the last round of EDC last year when we snapped both driveshafts on the line re-enforced this.

How Tims been treated after winning at Knockhill has severly dented that original very positive opinion of the whole scene. The souring of our very long time coming and very hard worked for win has taken the edge off our achievement and obviously has kind of knocked the wind out of my sales with regards to dealing with Mike. A very real shame it has to be said, the boy evidently has talent.

From my point of view the disagreement was never that Tim's driving was bad (the battle between him and mike was amazing!). it was the judging that was seriously disputed. Its obvious Mike lost a lot of speed coming into the first corner, Tim had an oppertunity to pass and imo left it too late and therefore couldnt make a clean pass, but thats what racing is about. If he didnt try to pass and stuck to drifting behind the beemer i think the 7-3 would of been deserved, but as he tried (and failed) to pass i think it should of went the other way, but just pub talk, i hope it can all be settled on the black stuff later in the year!

[royal]

Great vid, awesome to see the track as well. I'd love to skid that place !

[Pikey]

Tim's in the way as Mike transitions. Tim loses. No?

[bren]

Ive got some more footage uploading to Youtube now that give you a much better idea of the power of the Skyline. Watch for the 4th run, 1st, 2nd, 3rd gear straight line wheel spin without trying!

More locvk is already sorted btw, Andys been spannering on the car all morning One job down, 47 to go :Wack:

[kieran_e1]

Originally Posted by MJG

but I have an irreperable crease/dent on my quarter and arch

where you battered shane lynch in exactly the same fashion. he got a nose in and you chose to transition right into him, as we were all told not to at the briefing ,

it's all about respecting you're fellow driver , or in some cases lack thereof

[Jimthejunior]

Originally Posted by kieran_e1

where you battered shane lynch in exactly the same fashion. he got a nose in and you chose to transition right into him, as we were all told not to at the briefing ,

it's all about respecting you're fellow driver , or in some cases lack thereof

I think you will find shane lynch drove straight into mikes rear upon entry to the first corner so i think the "lacking of respect" part is a bit rich.

Its all about knowing the facts, or in some cases not.

[Tramp Bitch]

as jim said shane drove into mike...

Mike has full respect of all drivers but he is out there to have fun if it means hitting a few skylines by accident while he does some great drifting im sure he will do it again. he doesnt go out there thinking i will smash you all.

in every motorsport there is always a risk of crashing into something or someone its what makes it more interesting.

[royal]

blah d blah can't help talking shite

[Suprachick]

same shit different thread????

[b16jonc]

well done apex, love that v8 sound

[docwra]

Originally Posted by Jimthejunior

I think you will find shane lynch drove straight into mikes rear upon entry to the first corner so i think the "lacking of respect" part is a bit rich.

Its all about knowing the facts, or in some cases not.

I think you'll actually find that

a) Kieran was there sitting right next to me and we had an excellent view
b) As an EDC Pro driver he is probably better qualified to comment than you are

[MJG]

Keiren, I think you'll find Shane was on the outside of me, straight, behind my rear quarter, after crashing into me on the entry, so me initiating into him was his problem again.

If people get in my way I am not scared, and I don't think (AFAIK) Shane felt I was wrong by it, we both had a great twin battle!

If someone legally gets a nose past me then fair play I have to be humble to that and let them past, but otherwise no way am I pussying out of the challenge it's all part of the fun

But yeah enough of the crap, I'm going to study some Jap vids and see how they go about it all to get more of a feel for what's "right" and "wrong". Bren I look forward to seeing more of his runs, the fact he is off the throttle for 50% of the straight when following me is hilarious and quite scary to be fair as I was flat out (apart from when I shifted 1st > 4th once - d'oh!).

[SteveDunn]

Do we have to go through all this crap again? Give it a rest of the thread will be closed. Get the other videos up Bren

[MJG]

Cheers Steve, I think I've argued every possible point/reply now.

[Bolf]

First time i've seen the v8 liner bren , its an awesome idea . Can't wait to see what its like when all the niggles are ironed out.

[Glen]

Tim's no mug, infact he's an excellent driver, he's also not afraid to trade paint and apply pressure where needed so in a way I reckon he was somewhat underestimated as to his ability to do battle.

A few people dont realise but the jest of 'don't crash' meant nothing, the EDC drivers are all super talented Drifters and have good good experience of Tsuiso so if anyone thinks they are afraid to damage their shiny cars when challenged - then those thinking that are sorely wrong.

Of course they wont go out of their way to advertise the fact or be blase about rubbing etc., but remember they too have no fear, they leave that to others who think they do

Anyway the V8 is an awesome additon and well done to Bren and the Apex boys for producing an awesome tool well worthy of doing the business.

Rock and roll Silverstone - where the men are men and the boys runaway and hide

Glen

[MJG]

If it meant nothing then why did Sleepy say "they look after eachother and are not 100% attack when in battles"? Just confused me afterwards as it made the EDC seem like a charade, maybe it was a misinterpretation.

Either way I'm still going to swot up on JDM tyteness to see what normally happens as I'll be the first to admit I'm a n00b at twinning

[Captain Muppet]

Originally Posted by MJG

Either way I'm still going to swot up on JDM tyteness to see what normally happens as I'll be the first to admit I'm a n00b at twinning

It is harder to see the other car when they don't have a blue flashing light on the roof

[Jimthejunior]

Originally Posted by docwra

I think you'll actually find that

a) Kieran was there sitting right next to me and we had an excellent view
b) As an EDC Pro driver he is probably better qualified to comment than you are

Better qualified to what, see that shayne went into mikes rear upon entering the first corner, this was before mike transitioned between corners 1&2 and "battered" into shayne lynch.

I don't see where kierans EDC license comes into this, the only qualifications you need are to not be blind and to be able to see the run upto turn 1 and turns 2&3. No

You can't really accuse someone of having no respect for others when in reality he was only returning the favour.

Maybe sychronised skating is for you.

Damn this is fun

[bren]

Im not particularly bothered about panel damage, we have a great relationship with a very talented local lad just starting up, we throw the bits back at him, he fixes them and improves on them

It seems that Tim was running on LESS lock that the standard set up as the longer bottom ball joints (to readjust roll centre after lowering the car a silly amount) were restricting lock to a large degree. Hes now got a decent amount of lock to play with, should be interesting in the next round

Check out the car when its out by itself, it just needs more traction and youll see some real speed:

Youtube footage of car in qualifying, gives a better idea of the cars power potential

Lots of lock

We physically cant fit another pair of 6 pots behind the back wheels so are going to pull some Skylire R33 GTST rear calipers apart, have asome aluminium spacers made up and use those for the dedicated handbrake calipers.