Tim Marshall vs Mike Gaynor - in car from Round 2 EDC Knockhill - Page 4 - Drifting forum

cookwibble · 22-05-2008, 16:58

this is all balls. big hairy ones. if mike has a problem its between him and edc.

cant we just leave it at:
mike showed up to EDC in a battered old e30 costing less than most of the other peoples wheels, drove fucking well, qualified against the odds and done himself proud and proved drifting doesnt have to be about getting sponsors and having loads of money?

if everyone continues to add the old 2p all that will happen is........NOTHING. nothing good anyway.

bren · 22-05-2008, 17:00

Id appriciate it if this thread didnt turn into a re run of the last one, that wasnt why I posted it in the first place.

Nick · 22-05-2008, 17:02

sensible looking chap in skyrine win, fatlad in vosa seized vehicle lose. its a miracle he even turned up. fatlad principles normally would get in the way

Jord · 22-05-2008, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Muppet

It is harder to see the other car when they don't have a blue flashing light on the roof

Post of the day.

MJG · 22-05-2008, 17:12

It's the ones that don't have any visible blue lights that you have to watch for...

lol

Pikey · 22-05-2008, 17:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick

sensible looking chap in skyrine win, fatlad in vosa seized vehicle lose

lol

YorkshireRam · 22-05-2008, 18:23

I want space on the upcoming V8 bandwagon!

gaz_moose · 22-05-2008, 18:29

im not having a dig but on the first page brens posts are just full of excuses.

it made me chuckle

kieran_e1 · 22-05-2008, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimthejunior

Better qualified to what, see that shayne went into mikes rear upon entering the first corner, this was before mike transitioned between corners 1&2 and "battered" into shayne lynch.

I don't see where kierans EDC license comes into this, the only qualifications you need are to not be blind and to be able to see the run upto turn 1 and turns 2&3. No

You can't really accuse someone of having no respect for others when in reality he was only returning the favour.

Maybe sychronised skating is for you.

Damn this is fun

i'm not more qualified despite what doc may think than any other person i just say what i see.

and as for respect , it's simple. if mike had stopped the transition and straightened he may have been given an advantage becasue tim blocked his line. as it stood he choose the "fuck it i've got a 2 year old bmw and don't give two shit's!!" route and smacked him.

yes tim may well not have had a gap to go at , that's up to him and in that moment he made the decision rightly or wrongly. what mike did next was wxactly what we were all instructed not to do in the pre tsuiso briefing and showed a lack of respect for his fellow driver.

conversley having watched the in car video again i would say a car with enough power and grip ( a la bon's for example ) could've maybe have made it past mike on the outside. i think the in car video highlighted that time thought the gap was big enough but didn't have the grip to drive forward through it. again all imho looking at the video

it really is a shame it's gone to this as mike was really sound on the day and seemed to be having a great time, obviously he enjoy's his keyboard battle's better. less chance of panel damage i suppose

bren · 22-05-2008, 18:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaz_moose

im not having a dig but on the first page brens posts are just full of excuses.

it made me chuckle

Why would I make excuses, we won. Im telling it straight to give an idea of the cars true potential and show the amount of work we put into what we do, no more than that. I get the impression that a lot of guys think that the cars with more money put into them dont have any sort of commitment or effort applied. Im explaining the processes we go through to continually improve on the cars performance.

People who lose make excuses, not people who win

MJG · 22-05-2008, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieran_e1

what mike did next was wxactly what we were all instructed not to do in the pre tsuiso briefing and showed a lack of respect for his fellow driver.

I remember them saying "make a good show, don't go and kill eachother", don't remember the "if you crash you lose" statement lol.

Glen · 22-05-2008, 19:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJG

I remember them saying "make a good show, don't go and kill eachother", don't remember the "if you crash you lose" statement lol.

Give it a rest now please Mike as its getting boring reading your interpretations over and over again when nothing was meant with any malice and jeeeeeeesus we made the odd sarky/funny/friendly joke and got a bt wrong re brieing and you just keep on digging up the same old same old in a different way!

Seriously though this is meant as friendly and constructive, you had a go, you done very well, now just move on and hope to see you back in EDC in the future, remember if you keep on acting like a chump it's going to upset quite a few people which if thats your plan then crack on mate but go do it somewhere else as your actually spoiling what was a great event for a lot of people.

Glen

bren · 23-05-2008, 07:33

Ignore

jrtuning_ben · 23-05-2008, 07:58

seems ok now......

docwra · 23-05-2008, 10:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieran_e1

i'm not more qualified despite what doc may think than any other person i just say what i see.

Indeed - I had a horrific hangover yesterday and I think that came out wrong

Big K was in the briefing though, and thats what I was getting at. Either way, I agree with leavign it now - the race has been won, the winner got his trophy, lets get on with the next one now

Kev · 24-05-2008, 01:45

Well done Bren and apex, and indeed Tim for the win.

I did think the angles were really poor from the liner, but reading between the lines a little i take it the adjustable lower arms were adjusted out too far and so the steering was piss.

re- the incedent, as a spectator the way i seen it was mike over cooked it and lost alot of speed, tim seen the gap and went for it, but basically didnt have the traction he should have if the car had been set-up better, so didnt quite make it through.
From my point, i would blame Mike as he had basically recovered from near spin, but at the same time, Tim should have backed off when he realised the traction was not there and Mike was recovering.
Id give the blame 60% to Mike, 40 to Tim

It was a hard decision to make, and tbh i think the right one was made.

As regards BDC, i think shane was the cause of the damage then, and i think it was good for the cameras

Anyway Bren sounds like u have identified the areas in need of improvement (and then some) and are already on sorting it, end of the day, its all "development" mate, god luck for the rest of the journey

bren · 24-05-2008, 10:10

It wasnt the adjustable lower arms that were the problem, the car doesnt have any. It uses original lower arms but with taller Hardrace bottom ball joints. The taller ball joint has moved the rod in relation to the lower arm and lock stop resulting in the car hitting lock stop far earlier than it should. So we didnt even have standard lock. We have cut the lock stops off completely so now we have more lock that we can shake a stick it but obviously have to reweld new stops back on in a position that wont allow the wheels to move over centre.

The car went in for 4 wheel alignment and corner weighting yesterday. Turns out they couldnt corner weight it because the tyres are fairly screwed so the car doesnt sit flat. Theyve set the car for us and have given it back for us to try. We need to give them feedback and then get the car on brand new rubber with the feedback and theyll make tweaks to the alignment and set corner weighting.

They also said the car will stand being lowered an additional 20mm without adverse effects to the basic pick up points as we have addressed front bump steer and roll centre problems already. The only thing that might become more of an issue is rear bump steer as the rear toe arms are already at an upwards angle. Thats no biggie, we can address rear toe arm angles, we already have a plan for it.

The body guy is coming over this morning to trial fit the custom front bumper and rad scoop and we are modyfying rear R33 GTST calipers with spacers to be able to fit them over the 32mm wide rear KSport 356mm rotors.

Progress is being made

MJG · 24-05-2008, 10:39

Plenty of work on good work Bren, no wonder the skyline had no angle! Chizfab spacered e36 rack ftmfw

bren · 24-05-2008, 10:59

Proofs in the pudding, we will see how Tim does with the extra lock

bren · 24-05-2008, 11:27

Ive just been speaking to Andy. We changed one of the rod ends before sending the car for alignment and Andys found it was siezed solid. The steerings now a hell of a lot lighter, even with the engine switched off. That will help all round

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22-05-2008, 16:58	#61 (permalink)
cookwibble dorifto kingu! Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 6,584	this is all balls. big hairy ones. if mike has a problem its between him and edc. cant we just leave it at: mike showed up to EDC in a battered old e30 costing less than most of the other peoples wheels, drove fucking well, qualified against the odds and done himself proud and proved drifting doesnt have to be about getting sponsors and having loads of money? if everyone continues to add the old 2p all that will happen is........NOTHING. nothing good anyway.

22-05-2008, 17:00	#62 (permalink)
bren tail slider Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 124	Id appriciate it if this thread didnt turn into a re run of the last one, that wasnt why I posted it in the first place.

22-05-2008, 17:02	#63 (permalink)
Nick potato king Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,343	sensible looking chap in skyrine win, fatlad in vosa seized vehicle lose. its a miracle he even turned up. fatlad principles normally would get in the way

22-05-2008, 17:12	#65 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,942	It's the ones that don't have any visible blue lights that you have to watch for... lol

22-05-2008, 18:23	#67 (permalink)
YorkshireRam Harry Loves Ewe Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lancaster / Yorkshire Posts: 1,110	I want space on the upcoming V8 bandwagon!

22-05-2008, 18:29	#68 (permalink)
gaz_moose .MTM. Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: under your bed Posts: 3,292	im not having a dig but on the first page brens posts are just full of excuses. it made me chuckle

23-05-2008, 07:58	#74 (permalink)
jrtuning_ben grippuuuu Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: hull Posts: 380	seems ok now......

24-05-2008, 01:45	#76 (permalink)
Kev spl dori master Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bonnie Scotland Posts: 254	Well done Bren and apex, and indeed Tim for the win. I did think the angles were really poor from the liner, but reading between the lines a little i take it the adjustable lower arms were adjusted out too far and so the steering was piss. re- the incedent, as a spectator the way i seen it was mike over cooked it and lost alot of speed, tim seen the gap and went for it, but basically didnt have the traction he should have if the car had been set-up better, so didnt quite make it through. From my point, i would blame Mike as he had basically recovered from near spin, but at the same time, Tim should have backed off when he realised the traction was not there and Mike was recovering. Id give the blame 60% to Mike, 40 to Tim It was a hard decision to make, and tbh i think the right one was made. As regards BDC, i think shane was the cause of the damage then, and i think it was good for the cameras Anyway Bren sounds like u have identified the areas in need of improvement (and then some) and are already on sorting it, end of the day, its all "development" mate, god luck for the rest of the journey

24-05-2008, 10:10	#77 (permalink)
bren tail slider Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 124	It wasnt the adjustable lower arms that were the problem, the car doesnt have any. It uses original lower arms but with taller Hardrace bottom ball joints. The taller ball joint has moved the rod in relation to the lower arm and lock stop resulting in the car hitting lock stop far earlier than it should. So we didnt even have standard lock. We have cut the lock stops off completely so now we have more lock that we can shake a stick it but obviously have to reweld new stops back on in a position that wont allow the wheels to move over centre. The car went in for 4 wheel alignment and corner weighting yesterday. Turns out they couldnt corner weight it because the tyres are fairly screwed so the car doesnt sit flat. Theyve set the car for us and have given it back for us to try. We need to give them feedback and then get the car on brand new rubber with the feedback and theyll make tweaks to the alignment and set corner weighting. They also said the car will stand being lowered an additional 20mm without adverse effects to the basic pick up points as we have addressed front bump steer and roll centre problems already. The only thing that might become more of an issue is rear bump steer as the rear toe arms are already at an upwards angle. Thats no biggie, we can address rear toe arm angles, we already have a plan for it. The body guy is coming over this morning to trial fit the custom front bumper and rad scoop and we are modyfying rear R33 GTST calipers with spacers to be able to fit them over the 32mm wide rear KSport 356mm rotors. Progress is being made

24-05-2008, 10:39	#78 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,942	Plenty of work on good work Bren, no wonder the skyline had no angle! Chizfab spacered e36 rack ftmfw

24-05-2008, 10:59	#79 (permalink)
bren tail slider Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 124	Proofs in the pudding, we will see how Tim does with the extra lock

24-05-2008, 11:27	#80 (permalink)
bren tail slider Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 124	Ive just been speaking to Andy. We changed one of the rod ends before sending the car for alignment and Andys found it was siezed solid. The steerings now a hell of a lot lighter, even with the engine switched off. That will help all round