Doesnt get much better then this...

[lil ben]

Originally Posted by ham fisted crash chimp

I used to love watching the touring cars at thruxton! Did Steve Soper drive any other car than ford?? I remember seeing soper on a touring car but I'm just a couple of years too young for it to have been ford!

BMW iirc

[cranky]

Originally Posted by lil ben

BMW iirc

Yep see the vid I posted before

[lil ben]

Oh yeah Loved the late 80s / early 90s touring cars too

[LiGhTnInG]

Originally Posted by Stavros

I know of 600bhp+ engines that have lasted ages, on stock crank and rods, and pump fuel. Road and track.

Those need to go on the mantlepiece then. a 2 litre engine? capable of a reliable 600+ bhp? without needing regular rebuilds?

[mashed]

what driving on the first video

[Stavros]

Originally Posted by Corey_XR4I

im not on about engine capacity im on about reliability which is piss poor "imo" on YB's

What 2litre engines are more reliable for the same capacity/bhp/mods then if they piss poor?

Originally Posted by LiGhTnInG

Those need to go on the mantlepiece then. a 2 litre engine? capable of a reliable 600+ bhp? without needing regular rebuilds?

IF they built and mapped right then seen tens of thousands of hard miles, rather than hundreds, or thousands, yeah. Most I can think of is about 40k.

Cosworth YB is the most over engineered standard engine on the market.

Cosworth conrod on the left, Evo rod on the right...



Evo piston on the left, Cosworth piston on the right...


Rods and crank safe to 700bhp and 9000rpm if balanced and shot peened, standard pistons safe at 600bhp, even on pump fuel if you machine them down a little.

[Corey_XR4I]

Originally Posted by Stavros

What 2litre engines are more reliable for the same capacity/bhp/mods then if they piss poor?

.

as much as i hate to say this but Evos, you can buy a 400bhp evo engine which is 2.0 (maybe 2.2?) out of the factory which is more reliable

edit:

didnt mean the engines are piss poor either because there not, you and i no that there not its just the problem with reliability....most RS owners will tell you that

[Stavros]

Where you get that from?

FQ400s are famously unrelaible. MLR is full of warrenty and reliablity issue threads about it.
Not to mention the ones about it driving like crap, shit torque (at least 50lbft less than a good 400bhp YB and much higher), and bizzare turbo/manifold choice.

Certainly lasts no longer than a well built/setup YB, plenty ive seen at 400bhp+ lasting for years, infact almost all the ones done well should do, mine included.

[Corey_XR4I]

i disagree and still think YB's are unreliable which they are but then again most cars running 400bhp will be, its just my oppinion against yours at the end of the day, either way nice cars nice engines nice everything hence why i love them lol..

[Corey_XR4I]

on the subject of 400bhp cossies take a look at this baby:

Edge-Performance.co.uk - Featured Car: James Mk1 Cortina

[robrs2]

Originally Posted by Stavros

If your cars a crock of shit of setup wrong, it will die.

Thats the thing. Most YB blow ups are down to the tuner and old type ecu.

[alex_200sx]

There was a thing on the last page of Autosport this week about that race. Proper BTCC cars, Rwd, loadsa powarrr and street tracks. BTCC now is way too faggy