Photo Techniques - Page 3 - Drifting forum

junior · 20-07-2005, 10:48

Hi - missed this thread for ages, I'm only a chancer really at Photography.... don't mention me at all anymore thank you please

frank · 20-07-2005, 14:53

Here are a few of mine from Round 2 in Watergrass hill.

Sorry about the quality, but i did a batch resize and the quality went down the pan.

Not really looking at my technique yet, just trying to get the cars in the right spot and take something that resembles a picture, hope to start improving on what ive done soon though.

Teh rest can be found here clicky click

**Phil** · 20-07-2005, 17:45

Stickyfied this as it's a good read

jonjon · 20-07-2005, 21:22

I just saw this thread!
I've only just started using 35mm (after using a digital point-and-shoot for ages), I'm finding it's an expensive and slow learning curve. I guess I'm still shooting like a digital camera - too many safety shots! I couldn't get any decent action pics at Rockingham, I wasn't 100% concentrating on shooting (I was watching a lot as well as toy-drifting) and the track was always obscured no matter which side I shot from ... didn't fancy elbowing my way to the front of the scrum on the pitroof either! Here's my favourite pic from Birmingham Wild Tracks - the defocused fence adds a nice effect

I like the deep, rich blacks I get from film.

What are people's strategies for Silverstone in October?????? I've never been there before. Is there anywhere to get good low angle track shots?

(here's my mac page dotMac Home)

Ed. · 23-07-2005, 18:42

Good reading so far,have a good digi compact now (Fuji S7000) so its off to Mondello later for a practice with Wangan Willy hopefully getting a good solid 15 minutes track time in!!

Paddy · 26-07-2005, 00:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris

interesting question

what shutter speed do people use for drifting... ?

I've often dropped to 1/60 with a tight aperture (high F number) to prevent over exposing to get a good pan, My first pan with the new camera came out well as I just quickly dropped ISO to 200 and 1/100th and well, er, panned. The guy was doing no more than 5mph, as he was just taking off at Traffic lights ...

Hoping it shouldnt be too disasterous next weekend, first event with new camera so dont know what to expect ... Kills me that It may look good on the LCD screen and look awful when put on PC ...

Ross · 01-08-2005, 12:28

Quote:

Kills me that It may look good on the LCD screen and look awful when put on PC ...

welcome to the cruel world of the DSLR

Quote:

What are people's strategies for Silverstone in October?????? I've never been there before. Is there anywhere to get good low angle track shots?

hmmm not sure, personaly i always find silverstone a bit of a bitch for photographs, it depends what part of the track they are using, if its the same bit our guys use probably the outside of luffield 2 but because of the high fence you cant get that low, if you can blag your way trackside there is a photographer post inbetween brooklins (i think thats what its called) and luffield gives you a good veiwpoint of the transition and the exit to the luffield complex, but you need alot of mm on you lense. btw love your nz shots

Graham · 01-08-2005, 23:41

well well, i know paddy to see and none of the rest but you's may have seen my pictures of the D1 Irl series.

i have been shooting motorsport for a few years now mostly rallying as it's huge here in Ireland but when my mates started the drifting championship i tagged along for the craic and love it to bits and it makes interesting pictures. like paddy i was shooting with a fuji S5000 and using a general shutter of about 200 for most things but got me a 350D with 18-55 and 55-200 MKII lens' and a 380ex flashgun.

so mondello was the first round i got to with the new gear and by feck it impressed me with the quality and ease of use i fire it on Tv which sets the aperture automatically meaning i can pan using AI servo and it'l ajust the F rating to the light at the time i'm about to shoot

i was shooting anywhere from a shutter speed of 1250 right down to 40 at a point getting some really mad looking results as one small section in centre of the car id perfect focus but the edges tend to blur into the totally gone b/g

most of the images i took at 125 or 100 in mondello though with a few at about 200 to get a good chrisp car like paddy captured nicely

all images taken at ISO 400

keep up the good work chaps and this is a good thread i have to say also, i am happy with the resiults i got from mondello but please leave feedback of your opinions !

Graham

examples and i really love the 1st one -

shutter 1/125
F No 1/16

shutter - 1/800
F No - 1/7.1

shutter - 1/80
F No - 1/20

shutter - 1/160
F No - 1/13

missy · 02-08-2005, 00:05

this weekend will be my first drift events with the new dslr...

still getting used to the setting.... the only problem i find on the lower shutter speeds is capturing the shot i want... my boys have recently been brought one of those huge trampoleens (sp?). it's got an 8ft diameter... and to catch them whilst bouncing in the air, without being blurred, i set the TV to 1/4000...

but i shall find out at the weekend what setting is best...

Graham · 02-08-2005, 00:11

4000 :O just pan them up and down and it'l be dead on should be able to get away with 1/640 i would think

Paddy · 02-08-2005, 00:29

Welcome aboard Graham !

Was very happy with the camera at Mondello, loaded off around 740 on the day and uploaded around 630 and that was just on the one CF card (1GB)

Used mostly P and M modes all day and never higher than 400 ISO

1/250th of a second, f5.6 @ 170mm ISO400

1/500th of a second, f8.0 @ 290mm ISO200

1/125th of a second, f7.1 @ 130mm, ISO100

Ed. · 02-08-2005, 00:35

Takes a lot of practice with a new camera,I learned the hard (ish) way at Mondello, got some great ones,and some diabolical ones aswell

. What I like about the Fuji is that the software for transferring photos to your PC includes details for each photo such as shutter speed,ISO rating and whether it was in Autofocus or manual,so hopefully you can learn from your mistakes (or just read the manual even more at bedtime)

Also when shooting,use rechargable batteries,last longer and dont decide to intermittentley die during the day

Unless you got posh power for your digi slr's

Paddy · 02-08-2005, 01:01

What , like Two Li-ions that last for eternity ?

Also right click your photo, properties and advanced for in depth details of the settings you used

Ross · 02-08-2005, 08:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by missy

this weekend will be my first drift events with the new dslr...

still getting used to the setting.... the only problem i find on the lower shutter speeds is capturing the shot i want... my boys have recently been brought one of those huge trampoleens (sp?). it's got an 8ft diameter... and to catch them whilst bouncing in the air, without being blurred, i set the TV to 1/4000...

but i shall find out at the weekend what setting is best...

missy, practice,practice,practice, thats the only way, you could have the best kit money could buy but if your tecnique is iffy so will your results, now youve got the dslr you will be able to see the mistakes straight away and adjust acordingly,rather than getting a roll developed and being dissapointed and tying to remember what you did. i garentee by the end of the weekend and a few hunrdred shots you will have some great pictures, if you find yourself stuck on anything give me a shout i'll be glad to help out

i was in a photographic rut before i got the d100, after birmingham wheels last year the first time i used it i was as happy as a dog with two cocks with the results, got rid of all my gemlins, saying that a new bunch have just moved in now but i'll get rid of those with more experence and practice.

jonjon · 02-08-2005, 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

hmmm not sure, personaly i always find silverstone a bit of a bitch for photographs, it depends what part of the track they are using, if its the same bit our guys use probably the outside of luffield 2 but because of the high fence you cant get that low, if you can blag your way trackside there is a photographer post inbetween brooklins (i think thats what its called) and luffield gives you a good veiwpoint of the transition and the exit to the luffield complex, but you need alot of mm on you lense. btw love your nz shots

Thanks! (Especially the kind words on my NZ pics

) From earlier posts it sounds like blagging media access is going to be pretty tough, I'll have to investigate though.

This thread is really educating me on what sort of exposure times to try, I need to keep them a bit faster than I had been (generally stay above 1/100 unless tracking is truly spot on), and I probably don't really need that can of ISO1600 I thought I'd try! (Was hoping for some dirt drops or shredding rubber freeze frames) Terribly inconvenient that the cars are actually going around a corner just as you want to catch them! I can pan with a degree of stability (slightly better than rubbish, after some practise with a camcorder) but haven't got a chance of capturing the cornering dead-on enough to motion blur the background. I'll probably stick to trying for depth of focus effects instead for those sections. The entries looks like an easier place to track for the motion blur, but I prefer the composition of cutting across the apex, more perpendicular - especially with a twin round.

Which tracks give the best access - without needing to be acredited media - that I should especially look out for ? It sounds like I might spend more time enjoying the show at Silverstone then, than trying to capture it on film.

Mrs P · 02-08-2005, 13:11

jonjon - By all means have a go at silverstone anyway, it's not that good for pics [nowhere particularly great to stand, nothing to pan against but the odd cone!] but it's still good practice. From looking at your other pics I'm sure you'll do really well anyway

Missy, you used shutter speed 1/4000?!

bring it down a little!!

As ross said it's mainly down to practice, keep trying diffrent speeds and you'll be fine.

I'm getting some more cash in soon so I'm going to buy myself a monopod so I can use even slower shutter speeds. Will hopefully get chance to go out and buy it before my next drift day.

Ross, how are you getting on with your photoshop? Post examples, please!!

Ross · 02-08-2005, 16:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrs P

Ross, how are you getting on with your photoshop? Post examples, please!!

i havent had alot of time to play lately

ive been buggering around with low light long exposure stuff and trying to work out how my flash works, ive been booked to do a 18th birthday and hvent got the faintest idea what im up to

some long exposure stuff from turkey

that was 30 seconds at f11 balenced on a stick (forgot my mini tripod)

1 second f8 with polerising filter

the same exposure 10 minutes later.

HASNIC · 02-08-2005, 17:15

These were taken on a P200 mainly as test shots but some of them came out pretty well:

I'll be using my Canon 350D next time round to try and get some really nice ones

The 2nd one has been trimmed and enlarged quite a bit hence its a bit grainy.

missy · 02-08-2005, 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross

missy, practice,practice,practice, thats the only way.

this is what i plan to do but i won't be at silverstone on saturday

due to money.... instead we're doing the USC at the pod and then attending northampton on sunday

MarkRiccioni · 02-08-2005, 19:44

To be honest i'm about as clueless as they come with photography, know some of the basics by just messing around, but generally just try and get a good angle, zoom etc. rather than try any of the tricks (doesn't help with the digital camera, not the best and tries to do everything for you)

23-07-2005, 18:42	#45 (permalink)
Ed. Nikon powered Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Dublin,Ireland and Japan now and then Posts: 1,798	Good reading so far,have a good digi compact now (Fuji S7000) so its off to Mondello later for a practice with Wangan Willy hopefully getting a good solid 15 minutes track time in!! Last edited by Ed. : 23-07-2005 at 18:44. Reason: Spelling/grammar

01-08-2005, 23:41	#48 (permalink)
Graham spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Comber, NI Posts: 270	well well, i know paddy to see and none of the rest but you's may have seen my pictures of the D1 Irl series. i have been shooting motorsport for a few years now mostly rallying as it's huge here in Ireland but when my mates started the drifting championship i tagged along for the craic and love it to bits and it makes interesting pictures. like paddy i was shooting with a fuji S5000 and using a general shutter of about 200 for most things but got me a 350D with 18-55 and 55-200 MKII lens' and a 380ex flashgun. so mondello was the first round i got to with the new gear and by feck it impressed me with the quality and ease of use i fire it on Tv which sets the aperture automatically meaning i can pan using AI servo and it'l ajust the F rating to the light at the time i'm about to shoot i was shooting anywhere from a shutter speed of 1250 right down to 40 at a point getting some really mad looking results as one small section in centre of the car id perfect focus but the edges tend to blur into the totally gone b/g most of the images i took at 125 or 100 in mondello though with a few at about 200 to get a good chrisp car like paddy captured nicely all images taken at ISO 400 keep up the good work chaps and this is a good thread i have to say also, i am happy with the resiults i got from mondello but please leave feedback of your opinions ! Graham examples and i really love the 1st one - shutter 1/125 F No 1/16 shutter - 1/800 F No - 1/7.1 shutter - 1/80 F No - 1/20 shutter - 1/160 F No - 1/13 Last edited by Graham : 02-08-2005 at 00:01.

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20-07-2005, 10:48	#41 (permalink)
junior dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 900	Hi - missed this thread for ages, I'm only a chancer really at Photography.... don't mention me at all anymore thank you please

20-07-2005, 14:53	#42 (permalink)
frank tail slider Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cork - Ireland Posts: 75	Here are a few of mine from Round 2 in Watergrass hill. Sorry about the quality, but i did a batch resize and the quality went down the pan. Not really looking at my technique yet, just trying to get the cars in the right spot and take something that resembles a picture, hope to start improving on what ive done soon though. Teh rest can be found here clicky click

20-07-2005, 17:45	#43 (permalink)
Phil 7JZGTE Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6,869	Stickyfied this as it's a good read

20-07-2005, 21:22	#44 (permalink)
jonjon gripper stebson Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sane Tall Barns Posts: 323	I just saw this thread! I've only just started using 35mm (after using a digital point-and-shoot for ages), I'm finding it's an expensive and slow learning curve. I guess I'm still shooting like a digital camera - too many safety shots! I couldn't get any decent action pics at Rockingham, I wasn't 100% concentrating on shooting (I was watching a lot as well as toy-drifting) and the track was always obscured no matter which side I shot from ... didn't fancy elbowing my way to the front of the scrum on the pitroof either! Here's my favourite pic from Birmingham Wild Tracks - the defocused fence adds a nice effect I like the deep, rich blacks I get from film. What are people's strategies for Silverstone in October?????? I've never been there before. Is there anywhere to get good low angle track shots? (here's my mac page dotMac Home)

02-08-2005, 00:05	#49 (permalink)
missy Driftscene Tog Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bucks Posts: 1,441	this weekend will be my first drift events with the new dslr... still getting used to the setting.... the only problem i find on the lower shutter speeds is capturing the shot i want... my boys have recently been brought one of those huge trampoleens (sp?). it's got an 8ft diameter... and to catch them whilst bouncing in the air, without being blurred, i set the TV to 1/4000... but i shall find out at the weekend what setting is best...

02-08-2005, 00:11	#50 (permalink)
Graham spl dori master Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Comber, NI Posts: 270	4000 :O just pan them up and down and it'l be dead on should be able to get away with 1/640 i would think

02-08-2005, 00:29	#51 (permalink)
Paddy PIMP Snapper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waterford, Ireland Posts: 1,033	Welcome aboard Graham ! Was very happy with the camera at Mondello, loaded off around 740 on the day and uploaded around 630 and that was just on the one CF card (1GB) Used mostly P and M modes all day and never higher than 400 ISO 1/250th of a second, f5.6 @ 170mm ISO400 1/500th of a second, f8.0 @ 290mm ISO200 1/125th of a second, f7.1 @ 130mm, ISO100

02-08-2005, 00:35	#52 (permalink)
Ed. Nikon powered Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Dublin,Ireland and Japan now and then Posts: 1,798	Takes a lot of practice with a new camera,I learned the hard (ish) way at Mondello, got some great ones,and some diabolical ones aswell . What I like about the Fuji is that the software for transferring photos to your PC includes details for each photo such as shutter speed,ISO rating and whether it was in Autofocus or manual,so hopefully you can learn from your mistakes (or just read the manual even more at bedtime) Also when shooting,use rechargable batteries,last longer and dont decide to intermittentley die during the day Unless you got posh power for your digi slr's

02-08-2005, 01:01	#53 (permalink)
Paddy PIMP Snapper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waterford, Ireland Posts: 1,033	What , like Two Li-ions that last for eternity ? Also right click your photo, properties and advanced for in depth details of the settings you used

02-08-2005, 13:11	#56 (permalink)
Mrs P Rug Killer Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK Posts: 469	jonjon - By all means have a go at silverstone anyway, it's not that good for pics [nowhere particularly great to stand, nothing to pan against but the odd cone!] but it's still good practice. From looking at your other pics I'm sure you'll do really well anyway Missy, you used shutter speed 1/4000?! bring it down a little!! As ross said it's mainly down to practice, keep trying diffrent speeds and you'll be fine. I'm getting some more cash in soon so I'm going to buy myself a monopod so I can use even slower shutter speeds. Will hopefully get chance to go out and buy it before my next drift day. Ross, how are you getting on with your photoshop? Post examples, please!!

02-08-2005, 17:15	#58 (permalink)
HASNIC media Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 72	These were taken on a P200 mainly as test shots but some of them came out pretty well: I'll be using my Canon 350D next time round to try and get some really nice ones The 2nd one has been trimmed and enlarged quite a bit hence its a bit grainy.

02-08-2005, 19:44	#60 (permalink)
MarkRiccioni spl dori master Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 340	To be honest i'm about as clueless as they come with photography, know some of the basics by just messing around, but generally just try and get a good angle, zoom etc. rather than try any of the tricks (doesn't help with the digital camera, not the best and tries to do everything for you)