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Nismo · 20-10-2007, 12:10

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Originally Posted by Stef

Why wasn't the engine bay re-sprayed?

Its the cost factor. Alot of cars are like this.

As with all cars as long as you maintain it well the RX7 will last. Horror stories are due to people buying a high performance cars and neglecting work and doing it on the cheap. Properly looked after, there is no problem.

I rather buy this RX7 than one in the UK. Its gorgeous

Kevin@Lockley-Engineering · 05-12-2007, 14:46

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Originally Posted by Messydan

I seriously love these cars but the engine puts me off, all i hear is horror stories about them. Whats the crack, do they need rebuilding every XX000miles, how much abuse can a stock/lightly modded one handle. I understand modded/turbo'd engines need lots of care, i owned a modded S14a.

The general rule of thumb with rotary's is they need rebuilding every 60,000 miles. But this all depends like any other car of how well it's been looked after. Obviously the more power you push through it the shorter amount of life span the engine will have.

Our main car that we've currently built is a street ported FD RX7 with the 13B engine in it. The engine in the car lasted 77,000 miles previously before the water seal went on it and it needed rebuilding. Once mapping sessions have been done we hope to extract around the 400hp level, how long this will last is hard to say. The main part of maintaining a rotary is the cooling system, if this is kept on top of with decent upgraded radiator and regular oil/plug changes then it will last the distance.

On a side note another one of our cars, which is an s14 has seen some moderate abuse and the engine give out @ 55K miles.

Nothing is bullet proof in the world of drifting...... Except maybe a volvo?

uncle silvia · 06-12-2007, 18:59

I was considering a project with a 13B engine, Either an RX7 or sticking the engine in something like an MX5!! However I was thinking of running it NA on carbs as Ive been told it puts less stress on the engine thus potentially having less problems and being easier to work on!!??

Ive seen NA FC RX7s going really cheap but I was wondering what sort of money and what would be required to build a reasonable powered 13B on carbs??

I know Its not gonna be Turbo power but I was thinking Of getting the car as light as poss to compinsate!!

Any thoughts?

And ANDY........ can you get hold of NA FC RX7s pretty cheap from Japan with a few toys to be used as a track/drift car??

Dan Norton · 06-12-2007, 19:37

Its not really worth puting the NA 13b in an MX5, that engine only pushes out around 150bhp in that form, a 1.8 MX5 pushes 135bhp.

RE Amemiya have built a 20b FD3 thats NA, produces around 300bhp (touch over that), im not sure why they made it.... could be a class that they enter in japan for like an NA time attack class.

A good standard 13b with its standard twin turbo setup WILL last 60-70k as long as its looked after, just a standard 13b turbo setup in an MX5 would be totally awesome IMO.

Let me know if you do go ahead with the project as i know a very good rotary tuner who works from home sorta thing.

uncle silvia · 06-12-2007, 21:49

Surely the Rotary can be tweaked to over 150bhp running NA with some nice twin carbs and some funky porting and dont they rev like buggery? (still learing about rotarys).Also with no turbos the engine is so simple to work on! Ive seen some very quick ones running NA!!

Also wouldnt the 13b be lighter than the 1800 MX5 lump and the fact its Carbed would mean the wiring would be a lot simpler as an ECU wouldnt be needed?
Plus I love the sound of a NA Rotary

Im thinking more of a cheap FC RX7 with the NA 13b already in it then spending the rest on tweaking the engine etc! Ive seen them in good condition for as little as £300!!!!!

Just an Idea!!!!????

Heres a post I put up before with an awesome MX5 NA Rotary...............

Rotary into an MX5?

Powervehicles.com · 07-12-2007, 12:17

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Originally Posted by uncle silvia

And ANDY........ can you get hold of NA FC RX7s pretty cheap from Japan with a few toys to be used as a track/drift car??

Never seen any mate, sorry.

uncle silvia · 07-12-2007, 18:04

No worries but I had to ask!!

Spotted this though and I could spent the rest on a rebuild or drop a V8 in it

Mazda : F C 3 Egi-13B n/a

peter barber123 · 08-12-2007, 00:53

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Originally Posted by uncle silvia

No worries but I had to ask!!

Spotted this though and I could spent the rest on a rebuild or drop a V8 in it

Mazda : F C 3 Egi-13B n/a

how dare you even think of taking the rotors out

should be ashamed of yourself

uncle silvia · 08-12-2007, 18:33

Oh i dunno!!

Ive got the S-body as my first choice but I do fancy something different!

I love the sound of a rotory, I love the look of a clean FC (I love FDs too) but I have also wanted a V8 too! I was just thinking I could have my perfect car............Jap, RWD, Drifty madness, V8 (or NA rotary)

Liking this as a drifty look.............

peter barber123 · 08-12-2007, 19:25

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Originally Posted by uncle silvia

Oh i dunno!!

Ive got the S-body as my first choice but I do fancy something different!

I love the sound of a rotory, I love the look of a clean FC (I love FDs too) but I have also wanted a V8 too! I was just thinking I could have my perfect car............Jap, RWD, Drifty madness, V8 (or NA rotary)

Liking this as a drifty look.............

yeah you need this

the one on e gay looks pretty cool, nearly 6k tho

Infini-IV · 08-12-2007, 20:59

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Originally Posted by Kevin@Lockley-Engineering

The general rule of thumb with rotary's is they need rebuilding every 60,000 miles. But this all depends like any other car of how well it's been looked after. Obviously the more power you push through it the shorter amount of life span the engine will have.

Our main car that we've currently built is a street ported FD RX7 with the 13B engine in it. The engine in the car lasted 77,000 miles previously before the water seal went on it and it needed rebuilding. Once mapping sessions have been done we hope to extract around the 400hp level, how long this will last is hard to say. The main part of maintaining a rotary is the cooling system, if this is kept on top of with decent upgraded radiator and regular oil/plug changes then it will last the distance.

On a side note another one of our cars, which is an s14 has seen some moderate abuse and the engine give out @ 55K miles.

Nothing is bullet proof in the world of drifting...... Except maybe a volvo?

Rotaries can and do last beyond 60 000 odd miles. As you rightly state, the cooling system is the most important part. Anyone concidering buying a rotary shouldn't be put off by the potential rebuild. As long as the engine is mapped properly by some one who knows the stresses of drifting, the powerplant can be more rewarding than most other setups.

Cheers,
John

Razer · 08-01-2008, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Infini-IV

Rotaries can and do last beyond 60 000 odd miles. As you rightly state, the cooling system is the most important part. Anyone concidering buying a rotary shouldn't be put off by the potential rebuild. As long as the engine is mapped properly by some one who knows the stresses of drifting, the powerplant can be more rewarding than most other setups.

Cheers,
John

Also, rebuilding a motor that consists of ten parts or so shouldn't be very hard

And you get most parts on Racing Beat - Mazda Performance Specialists and MAZDATRIX for Mazda RX7, RX8, Rotary Engine Parts and Accessories

The most funny thing about the rotary is the driveability and response. It's just a LOT less laggy...

bluevauxhallnova · 21-01-2008, 22:08

NA FC never available in Japan

kiwithunder · 22-01-2008, 04:58

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Originally Posted by bluevauxhallnova

NA FC never available in Japan

I`m certain you are right!If you went 20B NA which is found in the Cosmo you could do some really sick thinks like Mad Mike.It`s insane!

http://www.madmike.co.nz/gallery_image.php?file=gallery_images/drifting/3rotor%20PP.jpg
His is peripheral port however, which adds another dimension (and cost)
I also confer with correct cooling.Have power FC in mine and am always watching temp.Have gone triple core radiator, Amemiya air tank seperator, etc on my "extra" sideported fd and top oil only.Cosmo engines also seem to fade between 50-70,000km.Good luck with whatever you do!

uncle silvia · 31-01-2008, 18:54

Whoever ended up buying the Famous RX7 must be getting really excited now............ Look what I spotted at Southampton docks today

Kevin@Lockley-Engineering · 01-02-2008, 09:50

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Originally Posted by Powervehicles.com

Never seen any mate, sorry.

Garage-R in Japan had a silver NA FD forsale a while ago. Certainly looked strange.... I like how simplistic a single turbo 13b can be made to look, but this thing looked like there was something missing.

Uncle Silvia: I've seen a peripheral ported 13b engine pull close to 300hp on a dyno. That should be plenty of power for a little MX-5! Plenty of space in the engine bay for a nice BIG rad too!

Kiwithunder: Have you still got your blue FD? Gorgeous looking car mate!

Wonder who bought the FC?

Baskie. · 01-02-2008, 15:50

I love that FC, I want it !!

uncle silvia · 01-02-2008, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin@Lockley-Engineering

Garage-R in Japan had a silver NA FD forsale a while ago. Certainly looked strange.... I like how simplistic a single turbo 13b can be made to look, but this thing looked like there was something missing.

Uncle Silvia: I've seen a peripheral ported 13b engine pull close to 300hp on a dyno. That should be plenty of power for a little MX-5! Plenty of space in the engine bay for a nice BIG rad too!

Any links / pics mate?????

rotary_rogers · 03-04-2008, 23:43

a mate of mine bought this, he let me take it for a spin. very very nice indeed. wasnt going to drift it but it handles like its on train tracks!!!! im going to do a photoshoot with it soon so will post the photos.

Mattyboi · 04-04-2008, 09:55

Its for sale near me, right near loz`s house. Was up for a fair bit.

So you still about then mr rodgers? Not seen you for like what, four years now lol!

06-12-2007, 18:59	#23 (permalink)
uncle silvia dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Plymouth , UK Posts: 611	I was considering a project with a 13B engine, Either an RX7 or sticking the engine in something like an MX5!! However I was thinking of running it NA on carbs as Ive been told it puts less stress on the engine thus potentially having less problems and being easier to work on!!?? Ive seen NA FC RX7s going really cheap but I was wondering what sort of money and what would be required to build a reasonable powered 13B on carbs?? I know Its not gonna be Turbo power but I was thinking Of getting the car as light as poss to compinsate!! Any thoughts? And ANDY........ can you get hold of NA FC RX7s pretty cheap from Japan with a few toys to be used as a track/drift car?? Last edited by uncle silvia : 06-12-2007 at 19:04.

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06-12-2007, 19:37	#24 (permalink)
Dan Norton dorifto kingu! Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,303	Its not really worth puting the NA 13b in an MX5, that engine only pushes out around 150bhp in that form, a 1.8 MX5 pushes 135bhp. RE Amemiya have built a 20b FD3 thats NA, produces around 300bhp (touch over that), im not sure why they made it.... could be a class that they enter in japan for like an NA time attack class. A good standard 13b with its standard twin turbo setup WILL last 60-70k as long as its looked after, just a standard 13b turbo setup in an MX5 would be totally awesome IMO. Let me know if you do go ahead with the project as i know a very good rotary tuner who works from home sorta thing.

06-12-2007, 21:49	#25 (permalink)
uncle silvia dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Plymouth , UK Posts: 611	Surely the Rotary can be tweaked to over 150bhp running NA with some nice twin carbs and some funky porting and dont they rev like buggery? (still learing about rotarys).Also with no turbos the engine is so simple to work on! Ive seen some very quick ones running NA!! Also wouldnt the 13b be lighter than the 1800 MX5 lump and the fact its Carbed would mean the wiring would be a lot simpler as an ECU wouldnt be needed? Plus I love the sound of a NA Rotary Im thinking more of a cheap FC RX7 with the NA 13b already in it then spending the rest on tweaking the engine etc! Ive seen them in good condition for as little as £300!!!!! Just an Idea!!!!???? Heres a post I put up before with an awesome MX5 NA Rotary............... Rotary into an MX5?

07-12-2007, 18:04	#27 (permalink)
uncle silvia dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Plymouth , UK Posts: 611	No worries but I had to ask!! Spotted this though and I could spent the rest on a rebuild or drop a V8 in it Mazda : F C 3 Egi-13B n/a

08-12-2007, 18:33	#29 (permalink)
uncle silvia dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Plymouth , UK Posts: 611	Oh i dunno!! Ive got the S-body as my first choice but I do fancy something different! I love the sound of a rotory, I love the look of a clean FC (I love FDs too) but I have also wanted a V8 too! I was just thinking I could have my perfect car............Jap, RWD, Drifty madness, V8 (or NA rotary) Liking this as a drifty look.............

21-01-2008, 22:08	#33 (permalink)
bluevauxhallnova gripper Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 17	NA FC never available in Japan

31-01-2008, 18:54	#35 (permalink)
uncle silvia dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Plymouth , UK Posts: 611	Whoever ended up buying the Famous RX7 must be getting really excited now............ Look what I spotted at Southampton docks today

01-02-2008, 15:50	#37 (permalink)
Baskie. doughnutter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Earley, Reading Posts: 72	I love that FC, I want it !!

03-04-2008, 23:43	#39 (permalink)
rotary_rogers spl dori master Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: cambridge UK Posts: 298	a mate of mine bought this, he let me take it for a spin. very very nice indeed. wasnt going to drift it but it handles like its on train tracks!!!! im going to do a photoshoot with it soon so will post the photos.

04-04-2008, 09:55	#40 (permalink)
Mattyboi InitialD erby Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Derby Posts: 4,585	Its for sale near me, right near loz`s house. Was up for a fair bit. So you still about then mr rodgers? Not seen you for like what, four years now lol!