Is there a big advantage of a 2way over a welder? Like £300 quids worth of difference - Drifting forum

M@r]{ · 05-07-2008, 19:41

I was all set for Polo to weld my diff on the Ceffy but now i'm being tempted by a 2way Nismo diff.

So should I just get the money together for the 2 way or just make do with a welder? I dont want to pay to get mine welded then 6 months down the line want to pay out again to have a 2 way fitted

I'm planning on entering the BDC next year so would a 2 way help me be more competitive?

So what would you do? Money is an issue as i've spent out so much in the last couple of months including buying this car. Having said that i'll still be able to pay the mortgage this month if I do buy it.

MJG · 05-07-2008, 19:55

I'm joint 1st in BDC with a welder, I qualifed 1st in EDC with a welder, upto you

Stavros · 05-07-2008, 20:43

So to sum up, its a nice thing to have, but being a better driver helps far far more.

jpcaim · 05-07-2008, 20:59

its much of a muchness id personally prefere a 2way to a welder thats just my oppion

pizzaboy · 05-07-2008, 21:17

Opinions will always be split as to whether or not you need a 2way over a welder at beginner stage but if you can afford it and feel you'll inevitably want one, why not.

Mongo · 05-07-2008, 21:40

Don't forget tho, if you go the route of the 2 way, you've got somethig else you've gotta service and maintain, new plates every so often etc. You only gotta abuse a welder.

Dogs Danglies · 05-07-2008, 21:40

Worth bearing in mind that a welded if pretty much fit and forget (aslong as its welded properly obviously). But a 2 way needs more maintenance such as regular oil changes, and eventual rebuild.

Mongo · 05-07-2008, 21:45

Wow!!! Great minds think alike. And at the same time too...

Dogs Danglies · 05-07-2008, 21:48

Jinx. lol

royal · 05-07-2008, 21:58

You don't need one to be first in BDC but they are a million times better to drift with than a welder. Once you've used one, going back to a welder is like having a drift car without a handbrake or other mega useful technique. Weld yours and then have a go in mine in abbeville or something and you'll see the difference straight away.

M@r]{ · 05-07-2008, 23:14

Thats the point!! I dont want to pay to have mine welded then decide I want a 2 way and pay to have that fitted

Up until your post i'd just about made my mind up to go for the welder - now i'm in two minds again.

Bottom line it must be down to personal preference as you seem very sure they area 'million' times better where the others seem to be less convinced

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Originally Posted by royal

You don't need one to be first in BDC but they are a million times better to drift with than a welder. Once you've used one, going back to a welder is like having a drift car without a handbrake or other mega useful technique. Weld yours and then have a go in mine in abbeville or something and you'll see the difference straight away.

OrionRS · 05-07-2008, 23:18

On this note do people bother with oil changes on a welder?

Minishonk · 05-07-2008, 23:28

no just put a new one in when it shats itself

caged · 05-07-2008, 23:31

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Originally Posted by Minishonk

no just put a new one in when it shats itself

or do it once and do it properly

Jimthejunior · 05-07-2008, 23:46

I'v never drifted in a 2way equipped car but from speaking to people who have they say its a bit better then a welder. But you have to ask yourself is the extra £300 worth it and will it make that much of a difference to you? Im guessing there both no. Get it welded by someone who knows the craic job jobbed.

MJG · 06-07-2008, 00:07

I've driven several 2 way cars, they drift magically with no effort. Drifting with a welder feels more like you have to deliberately upset the rear end with clutch kicks, lots of power, handbrake, or shift lock etc to send it sideways.

Essentially the 2-way wipes your arse for you, that is the best way of doing it. It does not make the end result "better" apart from perhaps the top 0.5% of drifters in the world who can exploit a 2way, it just makes average drivers drift better as it's easier.

I've been drifting for 3.5yrs, and have been competing this year, and never have I even thought "Darn, I wish I had a 2way".

I guess people see me opinionated but as far as I'm concerned it's the truth, sure why not make life easy if it was £50 welder and £75 2way, but when a 2-way is almost infinitely more expensive it doesn't make sense.

royal · 06-07-2008, 10:33

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Originally Posted by MJG

I've driven several 2 way cars, they drift magically with no effort. Drifting with a welder feels more like you have to deliberately upset the rear end with clutch kicks, lots of power, handbrake, or shift lock etc to send it sideways.

Essentially the 2-way wipes your arse for you, that is the best way of doing it. It does not make the end result "better" apart from perhaps the top 0.5% of drifters in the world who can exploit a 2way, it just makes average drivers drift better as it's easier.

I've been drifting for 3.5yrs, and have been competing this year, and never have I even thought "Darn, I wish I had a 2way".

I guess people see me opinionated but as far as I'm concerned it's the truth, sure why not make life easy if it was £50 welder and £75 2way, but when a 2-way is almost infinitely more expensive it doesn't make sense.

I completely agree with this, and as an average driver I'm more than happy to drift better due to a two way!! Then I can concentrate on being a better driver instead of doing five or ten different movements going from a big fast corner into a small tight one a la Teeside/norfolk, whereas with a two way I can just point the nose to the apex and footbrake a little, relax and enjoy the feeling.

The other thing I also think although I could be wrong, is that doing it this way is going to be faster because you're not hanging onto the wand all the time to help bring the back around. Bagsey and mr2 are better and faster drivers than me in general but they couldn't keep up with me coming out of the big corner into the small one at Norfolk on the sunday after the comp. They both have welders.

MJG · 06-07-2008, 11:16

I agree with the last part Dave, I think with the welder you do have to be more active with the car to keep the slide, but rather than abusing the handbrake I just abuse the throttle, which is probably why I can keep up with cars that have obvious mechanical grip advantages. MANFOOOOOT! lol.

So yeah, general concensus is reached: 2-ways are easy peasy, end result is not really better, they are expensive, welders can do the same things but require a little more skill.

LiGhTnInG · 06-07-2008, 11:20

Current car has a 2-way. Agree with Dave. It's MUCH easier.

Stavros · 06-07-2008, 11:22

i certainly suck MUCH less with my jzx, and its the only drifter ive had without a welder, so maybe its that. tho i cant FEEL that its that, but its something...

but as im poor, i dont think id shell out 800odd quid to have one

05-07-2008, 19:41	#1 (permalink)
M@r]{ spl dori master Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bucks Posts: 309	Is there a big advantage of a 2way over a welder? Like £300 quids worth of difference I was all set for Polo to weld my diff on the Ceffy but now i'm being tempted by a 2way Nismo diff. So should I just get the money together for the 2 way or just make do with a welder? I dont want to pay to get mine welded then 6 months down the line want to pay out again to have a 2 way fitted I'm planning on entering the BDC next year so would a 2 way help me be more competitive? So what would you do? Money is an issue as i've spent out so much in the last couple of months including buying this car. Having said that i'll still be able to pay the mortgage this month if I do buy it.

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05-07-2008, 19:55	#2 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,545	I'm joint 1st in BDC with a welder, I qualifed 1st in EDC with a welder, upto you

05-07-2008, 20:43	#3 (permalink)
Stavros DEYTUKURJURBS Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire Posts: 9,782	So to sum up, its a nice thing to have, but being a better driver helps far far more.

05-07-2008, 20:59	#4 (permalink)
jpcaim gripper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: ireland wexford Posts: 3	its much of a muchness id personally prefere a 2way to a welder thats just my oppion

05-07-2008, 21:17	#5 (permalink)
pizzaboy splendiferous Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Glasgow Posts: 1,090	Opinions will always be split as to whether or not you need a 2way over a welder at beginner stage but if you can afford it and feel you'll inevitably want one, why not.

05-07-2008, 21:40	#6 (permalink)
Mongo gripper Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Doncaster area Posts: 11	Don't forget tho, if you go the route of the 2 way, you've got somethig else you've gotta service and maintain, new plates every so often etc. You only gotta abuse a welder.

05-07-2008, 21:40	#7 (permalink)
Dogs Danglies Sick Puppy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: High Wycombe Posts: 2,036	Worth bearing in mind that a welded if pretty much fit and forget (aslong as its welded properly obviously). But a 2 way needs more maintenance such as regular oil changes, and eventual rebuild.

05-07-2008, 21:45	#8 (permalink)
Mongo gripper Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Doncaster area Posts: 11	Wow!!! Great minds think alike. And at the same time too...

05-07-2008, 21:48	#9 (permalink)
Dogs Danglies Sick Puppy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: High Wycombe Posts: 2,036	Jinx. lol

05-07-2008, 21:58	#10 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,472	You don't need one to be first in BDC but they are a million times better to drift with than a welder. Once you've used one, going back to a welder is like having a drift car without a handbrake or other mega useful technique. Weld yours and then have a go in mine in abbeville or something and you'll see the difference straight away.

05-07-2008, 23:18	#12 (permalink)
OrionRS dorifto kingu! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: S E London/Kent Posts: 1,591	On this note do people bother with oil changes on a welder?

05-07-2008, 23:28	#13 (permalink)
Minishonk Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: B98 Posts: 2,511	no just put a new one in when it shats itself

05-07-2008, 23:46	#15 (permalink)
Jimthejunior Represent Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,876	I'v never drifted in a 2way equipped car but from speaking to people who have they say its a bit better then a welder. But you have to ask yourself is the extra £300 worth it and will it make that much of a difference to you? Im guessing there both no. Get it welded by someone who knows the craic job jobbed.

06-07-2008, 00:07	#16 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,545	I've driven several 2 way cars, they drift magically with no effort. Drifting with a welder feels more like you have to deliberately upset the rear end with clutch kicks, lots of power, handbrake, or shift lock etc to send it sideways. Essentially the 2-way wipes your arse for you, that is the best way of doing it. It does not make the end result "better" apart from perhaps the top 0.5% of drifters in the world who can exploit a 2way, it just makes average drivers drift better as it's easier. I've been drifting for 3.5yrs, and have been competing this year, and never have I even thought "Darn, I wish I had a 2way". I guess people see me opinionated but as far as I'm concerned it's the truth, sure why not make life easy if it was £50 welder and £75 2way, but when a 2-way is almost infinitely more expensive it doesn't make sense.

06-07-2008, 11:16	#18 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,545	I agree with the last part Dave, I think with the welder you do have to be more active with the car to keep the slide, but rather than abusing the handbrake I just abuse the throttle, which is probably why I can keep up with cars that have obvious mechanical grip advantages. MANFOOOOOT! lol. So yeah, general concensus is reached: 2-ways are easy peasy, end result is not really better, they are expensive, welders can do the same things but require a little more skill.

06-07-2008, 11:20	#19 (permalink)
LiGhTnInG Doricomotion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: DriftRacing.co.uk Posts: 8,203	Current car has a 2-way. Agree with Dave. It's MUCH easier.

06-07-2008, 11:22	#20 (permalink)
Stavros DEYTUKURJURBS Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cheltenham, Gloucestershire Posts: 9,782	i certainly suck MUCH less with my jzx, and its the only drifter ive had without a welder, so maybe its that. tho i cant FEEL that its that, but its something... but as im poor, i dont think id shell out 800odd quid to have one