Wet weather tires - grip - Drifting forum

halllon · 16-07-2008, 22:22

Dear all,

I am very interested in hearing your experiences with running different tires in wet weather. Which of the following models provides most grip on wet tracks, and are there any better tires than these?

Federal RS
Federal SS
Falken Azeniz ST615
Toyo Proxes R888
Toyo Proxes T1R
Hankook z212
Goodyear Eagle F1
Nankang NS2
Nexen N3000

I guess it's not a clear answer to what tire is best, as conditions differ and tires have different strengths.

What are your experiences?

halllon · 30-07-2008, 15:11

Anyone?

royal · 30-07-2008, 15:14

Do a search mate, loads of threads on it. Semi slicks are very hard to get warm so often not much good in the average rainy day drifting. My personnel choice having not drove on some of the ones in the list would be the Eagle F1 assymetrics.

Mr Bizzle · 30-07-2008, 15:37

Pah, without meaning to sound like a broken record. The Marangoni Mythos will trounce all of the above in the wet. Run in the correct direction, with width suiting the power and weight of the car and at the right tyre pressure.

**Mitch** · 30-07-2008, 16:07

That's exactly what you sound like

Is it just coincedence that you've been sponsored by the company that makes the best tyres in the world?? I'd never heard of them before you got them...

Captain Muppet · 30-07-2008, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch

That's exactly what you sound like

Is it just coincedence that you've been sponsored by the company that makes the best tyres in the world?? I'd never heard of them before you got them...

I'd heard of them. I was even using them in competition first.

It's not what you know, it's not who you know, it's whether or not you totally suck a drifting that gets you sponsors

Mr Bizzle · 30-07-2008, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitch

That's exactly what you sound like

Is it just coincedence that you've been sponsored by the company that makes the best tyres in the world?? I'd never heard of them before you got them...

It's a coincidence that i happen to be sponsored by a company that produce amazing tyres. In all honesty, i didn't know how good they were untill i had already signed off the agreement with them. Even if they were rubbish, it would have still been free tyres!

Fortunatly for me, they are quite seriously some of the best tyres i have ever drifted on. They make the T1R look really silly as both a road, track and drift tyre. In the wet, they are amazing also. I really like them A LOT and im massivly privilaged to have the oppertunity to use them all the time.

Anybody who has actually driven on them is convinced. A well known EDC team recently tried them out during the Santapod event and liked them a lot

**Mitch** · 30-07-2008, 22:32

To be honest Chris, I'm just baiting you. I'd be more than happy to be supplied with free Nankangs and Wanlis, which were fantastic at Teesside by the way (if anyone from Nankang or Wanli are reading this

)

Vova · 30-07-2008, 22:34

F1's symetrical, trust me. Couldn't get it to spin on power in damp @ Stage II in 1st gear! (from roll to gunning it, so no clutch release)

Mr Bizzle · 31-07-2008, 09:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vova

F1's symetrical, trust me. Couldn't get it to spin on power in damp @ Stage II in 1st gear! (from roll to gunning it, so no clutch release)

-WJ- · 31-07-2008, 11:38

goodyear eagle F1's and Bridgestone potenza mathingy's are also quite good in the wet, but I don't have any experience with marangoni.

Chris, ask them If they're interested in sponsoring a dutch team

amiga · 10-10-2008, 16:16

I've been selling tyres a while back and as far as I remember marangoni are remoulds (rethreaded tyres) aren't they? Or they started making new tyres as well recently?

MJG · 10-10-2008, 16:26

Sorry no experience but I used A048's in the wet on the front, they were nearly bald, and still gripped better than any other tyre I've ever used. I couldn't beleive that a semi-slick would grip so well even at 70+ mph but they really did, I didn't have to do anything on the pedals just turn and the car would grip at the front and kick out lol. They're the tyres I'll be buying for up front next season fo' sho'.

Daddy_D · 10-10-2008, 16:43

Toyo T1-R I've been using for the front and unknown for the back. The Toyo's are awesome and it feel like no matter how fast I'm going they always point the car in the direction I steer. No understeer but just slight vibration when they are about to loose it. I ran 195/50/15 but as I'm changing wheels I don't think I can afford them anymore. Federal SS595 is what I have now. Not tried them yet.

docwra · 10-10-2008, 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daddy_D

Toyo T1-R I've been using for the front and unknown for the back. The Toyo's are awesome and it feel like no matter how fast I'm going they always point the car in the direction I steer.

Would have to agree - Ive tried Federal 595's, F1's, P zeros, Falken 452's, Nankang NS2's and various other monkey rubbish and in the wet the Toyos are the winnarrr for me

halllon · 10-10-2008, 19:04

Cheers for your replies, guys.

Andy_f · 10-10-2008, 19:10

I changed my fronts to Falken FK-452's lately and they are bloody great in all conditions, and probably the cheapest high performance tyre available. Best all-rounder in my opinion.

Daddy_D · 10-10-2008, 20:32

Although you ask for rain tyres I just want to point out that I decided to stick to the hard wearing rubber. The Toyo T1-R starts to wear out fast even at normal driving. Negative camber doesn't help at all either.

The tyres on the back I've just spotted are
Millenium and I got them with 3mm thread. It's surprising after so many street events they are still holding on that 1mm. Soon to be slick. I just hope Federal are as good as people praise them.

MJG · 10-10-2008, 20:38

Yes, get something that will last for thousands of miles, maybe consider Michelin's fuel efficient range too for them long motorway journeys. They work well also when towing your caravan.

20vWill · 11-10-2008, 00:35

From rumour I would say the R888 or the Eagle F1.

From experience (ie running cheap/shit/free tyres) Nankang NS2 are actually damn good tyres, especially for the money.

16-07-2008, 22:22	#1 (permalink)
halllon tail slider Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 91	Wet weather tires - grip Dear all, I am very interested in hearing your experiences with running different tires in wet weather. Which of the following models provides most grip on wet tracks, and are there any better tires than these? Federal RS Federal SS Falken Azeniz ST615 Toyo Proxes R888 Toyo Proxes T1R Hankook z212 Goodyear Eagle F1 Nankang NS2 Nexen N3000 I guess it's not a clear answer to what tire is best, as conditions differ and tires have different strengths. What are your experiences?

30-07-2008, 22:32	#8 (permalink)
Mitch GRDriftGarage Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Derby fulltime Posts: 10,643	To be honest Chris, I'm just baiting you. I'd be more than happy to be supplied with free Nankangs and Wanlis, which were fantastic at Teesside by the way (if anyone from Nankang or Wanli are reading this)

10-10-2008, 19:04	#16 (permalink)
halllon tail slider Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 91	Cheers for your replies, guys. Last edited by halllon : 10-10-2008 at 19:07.

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30-07-2008, 15:11	#2 (permalink)
halllon tail slider Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Norway Posts: 91	Anyone?

30-07-2008, 15:14	#3 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,743	Do a search mate, loads of threads on it. Semi slicks are very hard to get warm so often not much good in the average rainy day drifting. My personnel choice having not drove on some of the ones in the list would be the Eagle F1 assymetrics.

30-07-2008, 15:37	#4 (permalink)
Mr Bizzle Team DWYB Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Beaconsfield, Bucks Posts: 4,209	Pah, without meaning to sound like a broken record. The Marangoni Mythos will trounce all of the above in the wet. Run in the correct direction, with width suiting the power and weight of the car and at the right tyre pressure.

30-07-2008, 16:07	#5 (permalink)
Mitch GRDriftGarage Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Derby fulltime Posts: 10,643	That's exactly what you sound like Is it just coincedence that you've been sponsored by the company that makes the best tyres in the world?? I'd never heard of them before you got them...

30-07-2008, 22:34	#9 (permalink)
Vova touge runner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Netherlands, in Maastricht Posts: 181	F1's symetrical, trust me. Couldn't get it to spin on power in damp @ Stage II in 1st gear! (from roll to gunning it, so no clutch release)

31-07-2008, 11:38	#11 (permalink)
-WJ- S13 RB25DET Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Friesland Posts: 976	goodyear eagle F1's and Bridgestone potenza mathingy's are also quite good in the wet, but I don't have any experience with marangoni. Chris, ask them If they're interested in sponsoring a dutch team

10-10-2008, 16:16	#12 (permalink)
amiga gripper Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cashel, Ireland Posts: 4	I've been selling tyres a while back and as far as I remember marangoni are remoulds (rethreaded tyres) aren't they? Or they started making new tyres as well recently?

10-10-2008, 16:26	#13 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,857	Sorry no experience but I used A048's in the wet on the front, they were nearly bald, and still gripped better than any other tyre I've ever used. I couldn't beleive that a semi-slick would grip so well even at 70+ mph but they really did, I didn't have to do anything on the pedals just turn and the car would grip at the front and kick out lol. They're the tyres I'll be buying for up front next season fo' sho'.

10-10-2008, 16:43	#14 (permalink)
Daddy_D D1 street king Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,149	Toyo T1-R I've been using for the front and unknown for the back. The Toyo's are awesome and it feel like no matter how fast I'm going they always point the car in the direction I steer. No understeer but just slight vibration when they are about to loose it. I ran 195/50/15 but as I'm changing wheels I don't think I can afford them anymore. Federal SS595 is what I have now. Not tried them yet.

10-10-2008, 19:10	#17 (permalink)
Andy_f I <3 BDC! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Redditch/Birmingham Posts: 2,021	I changed my fronts to Falken FK-452's lately and they are bloody great in all conditions, and probably the cheapest high performance tyre available. Best all-rounder in my opinion.

10-10-2008, 20:32	#18 (permalink)
Daddy_D D1 street king Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,149	Although you ask for rain tyres I just want to point out that I decided to stick to the hard wearing rubber. The Toyo T1-R starts to wear out fast even at normal driving. Negative camber doesn't help at all either. The tyres on the back I've just spotted are Millenium and I got them with 3mm thread. It's surprising after so many street events they are still holding on that 1mm. Soon to be slick. I just hope Federal are as good as people praise them.

10-10-2008, 20:38	#19 (permalink)
MJG e30 of Death Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Derby, England Posts: 11,857	Yes, get something that will last for thousands of miles, maybe consider Michelin's fuel efficient range too for them long motorway journeys. They work well also when towing your caravan.

11-10-2008, 00:35	#20 (permalink)
20vWill ...... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Doon Sooth Posts: 3,849	From rumour I would say the R888 or the Eagle F1. From experience (ie running cheap/shit/free tyres) Nankang NS2 are actually damn good tyres, especially for the money.