electric PAS pump, has anyone done it ? - Drifting forum

jonnybroadside · 20-08-2008, 18:49

Hello people,
been tidying up my engine bay and reducing some weight.

With the ABS gone and air con, that side of my engine bay is looking very bare and i like it

. Now if i could remove the powersteering pump and the huge bracket bolted on that side of the engine i could make a nice intake pipe and the only thing left on that side of the engine bay would be turbo and manifold.

I was thinking of mounting a electronic PAS pump where the wing mount intercooler used to be. Can anyone see any problem with converting this

What car should i use the pump from. I know saxo's MR2's and late astras use electric PAS pumps.

Any help very much appreciated, jon

**SteveDunn** · 20-08-2008, 18:55

Also interested in this myself

Two_Sheds · 20-08-2008, 19:02

I'm sure I read an article ages ago that said newish Fiat Punto and Mercedes A class ones are good to use, might have been from the Q&A pages in Practical Performance Car, no idea what makes them so good though

.

Sorry thats not much help, might be a base point to start looking though?

**Phil** · 20-08-2008, 19:15

We keep breaking pumps and this is one of the options I'm contemplating so I'd be also interested to hear anyone with real world experience specifically on a drift car. Silly angles and massive pressure when on full lock might be an issue, who really knows untill someone tries it.

lil ben · 20-08-2008, 19:18

Project purplyness - SXOC Bulletin Board
Little mention in there

SILBEAM81 · 20-08-2008, 21:14

Norris Designs Run A Saxo / 106 One In The Green Evo In Time Attack...

jonnybroadside · 20-08-2008, 21:28

ex-ctr is doing the conversion

sounds like it can be done. So will be longer before my car is done

Electric PAS pump, has anyone done it ? - SXOC Bulletin Board

tommahawk · 20-08-2008, 21:40

im just trying to sort this on my sr vw caddy drift project bought one from a vauxhall combo

jonnybroadside · 20-08-2008, 22:21

I found this HYDRAULIC PUMP for AUTOPILOT - Raymarine Simrad etc 12v on eBay, also, Accessories, Boats Watercraft, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 15-Sep-08 15:57:17 BST) but it says outlet hoses and connections must be good for 100 bar of pressure. i think that would be abit much for my steering rack but dont know

says in the project purplyness thread hat he had trouble in tight drifty bits so i should try to do it right first time really.

DaRReN-R32 · 21-08-2008, 10:24

i used a electric pump on my corsa 2.5v6 i built a few years ago it was off a saxo/pug 106 they are ok dead easy to wire ect but i felt you could feel the difference if you where turning fast it was like the pump couldnt keep up kind of thing.

Mad Cas · 21-08-2008, 11:29

Use an SW20 MR2 electric pump. Should do the trick, I have one and aim to test it, as there isn't room for a turbo and a power steering pump next to the lexus V8 when its sat in the bay.

Mr Bizzle · 21-08-2008, 11:38

Obviously also interested in this for the reasons mentioned above

-WJ- · 21-08-2008, 12:01

Acoording to the thread on sxoc, the astra electric paspump was too slow for 2nd gear tight stuff...

jonnybroadside · 21-08-2008, 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaRReN-R32

but i felt you could feel the difference if you where turning fast it was like the pump couldnt keep up kind of thing.

I know what you mean

I live near Lydd track so will wanna be able to take hands off the wheel and let it do its thing. this wont do

Maybe if i ran 2 of the saxo ones

Or i will have to find the best pump there is ?

superclarkey · 21-08-2008, 16:15

Erm this is something i have little to no idea about

so will be interested to see what people find on this subject

royal · 21-08-2008, 16:16

I have an electric pump from a saxo on my Rx7. I'm looking at getting rid and have just got a oem pump from a breaker. The steering was far too heavy for drift use. On fast grip tracks it was great and felt just right but for second gear drifting it was very hard work. I suspect there was a lack of caster on the car as well so this may have been part of the problem.
I only drove it on my very first drift session at Santa Pod so perhaps things will be different now but I doubt it from memory as it was very obviously not fast enough and hard work. I used to often slide around a lot on airfield days and at circuits though and the steering was never a problem then when in higher gears, but I reckon with more angle it probably would show.

royal · 21-08-2008, 16:17

I've got all the setup on the car still so I guess I could leave it on just to try it , and get the car properly setup?

jonnybroadside · 21-08-2008, 16:25

What would be the best pump to use

I got far too much other stuff to do to be looking into output pressures of each of the electric power steering pumps on different cars, lol.

Would be good if it was easy to find the optimal running pressure of my steering rack and performance of each different PAS pump

Will have to look into that but where to start, lol.

The boat hydraulic pump may be the best bet if its ok with PAS fluid. If pressure is more than a steering rack would want whoever makes the hoses could prob supply a pressure regulator running to the return pipe

Captain Muppet · 21-08-2008, 16:42

Surely you don't want more pressure, just higher flow rate (so it can keep up with the rapid rack movement rather than provide more assistance)?

I'm kind of hoping SW20 MR2 bits are the way to go as I might have a spare to sell soon.

gunnerktm · 21-08-2008, 16:48

Alot of the electric pumps dont have the beans for drifting
Apex ran one on there V8 R33 and, i ditched the 106/saxo one of mine
Alot of rally cars use them, but they dont see anywhere as much use as a drift car

JZ Pumps are wank also

So we mounted an SR20 pump to my JZ swap, and seemed to work great,

20-08-2008, 18:49	#1 (permalink)
jonnybroadside spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ashford, kent Posts: 348	electric PAS pump, has anyone done it ? Hello people, been tidying up my engine bay and reducing some weight. With the ABS gone and air con, that side of my engine bay is looking very bare and i like it . Now if i could remove the powersteering pump and the huge bracket bolted on that side of the engine i could make a nice intake pipe and the only thing left on that side of the engine bay would be turbo and manifold. I was thinking of mounting a electronic PAS pump where the wing mount intercooler used to be. Can anyone see any problem with converting this What car should i use the pump from. I know saxo's MR2's and late astras use electric PAS pumps. Any help very much appreciated, jon

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20-08-2008, 18:55	#2 (permalink)
SteveDunn I can't see... Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ashford Posts: 4,477	Also interested in this myself

20-08-2008, 19:02	#3 (permalink)
Two_Sheds chaplad Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Fife, Scotland Posts: 600	I'm sure I read an article ages ago that said newish Fiat Punto and Mercedes A class ones are good to use, might have been from the Q&A pages in Practical Performance Car, no idea what makes them so good though . Sorry thats not much help, might be a base point to start looking though?

20-08-2008, 19:15	#4 (permalink)
Phil Admin Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Birmingham Posts: 7,741	We keep breaking pumps and this is one of the options I'm contemplating so I'd be also interested to hear anyone with real world experience specifically on a drift car. Silly angles and massive pressure when on full lock might be an issue, who really knows untill someone tries it.

20-08-2008, 19:18	#5 (permalink)
lil ben Lurker Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 811	Project purplyness - SXOC Bulletin Board Little mention in there

20-08-2008, 21:14	#6 (permalink)
SILBEAM81 doughnutter Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 62	Norris Designs Run A Saxo / 106 One In The Green Evo In Time Attack...

20-08-2008, 21:28	#7 (permalink)
jonnybroadside spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ashford, kent Posts: 348	ex-ctr is doing the conversion sounds like it can be done. So will be longer before my car is done Electric PAS pump, has anyone done it ? - SXOC Bulletin Board

20-08-2008, 21:40	#8 (permalink)
tommahawk dorifto kingu! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: swindon Posts: 507	im just trying to sort this on my sr vw caddy drift project bought one from a vauxhall combo

20-08-2008, 22:21	#9 (permalink)
jonnybroadside spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ashford, kent Posts: 348	I found this HYDRAULIC PUMP for AUTOPILOT - Raymarine Simrad etc 12v on eBay, also, Accessories, Boats Watercraft, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 15-Sep-08 15:57:17 BST) but it says outlet hoses and connections must be good for 100 bar of pressure. i think that would be abit much for my steering rack but dont know says in the project purplyness thread hat he had trouble in tight drifty bits so i should try to do it right first time really.

21-08-2008, 10:24	#10 (permalink)
DaRReN-R32 spl dori master Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 257	i used a electric pump on my corsa 2.5v6 i built a few years ago it was off a saxo/pug 106 they are ok dead easy to wire ect but i felt you could feel the difference if you where turning fast it was like the pump couldnt keep up kind of thing.

21-08-2008, 11:29	#11 (permalink)
Mad Cas H A V O C Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Pod Posts: 5,616	Use an SW20 MR2 electric pump. Should do the trick, I have one and aim to test it, as there isn't room for a turbo and a power steering pump next to the lexus V8 when its sat in the bay.

21-08-2008, 11:38	#12 (permalink)
Mr Bizzle Team DWYB Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Beaconsfield, Bucks Posts: 4,228	Obviously also interested in this for the reasons mentioned above

21-08-2008, 12:01	#13 (permalink)
-WJ- S13 RB25DET Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Friesland Posts: 983	Acoording to the thread on sxoc, the astra electric paspump was too slow for 2nd gear tight stuff...

21-08-2008, 16:15	#15 (permalink)
superclarkey ______________ Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 9,252	Erm this is something i have little to no idea about so will be interested to see what people find on this subject

21-08-2008, 16:16	#16 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,852	I have an electric pump from a saxo on my Rx7. I'm looking at getting rid and have just got a oem pump from a breaker. The steering was far too heavy for drift use. On fast grip tracks it was great and felt just right but for second gear drifting it was very hard work. I suspect there was a lack of caster on the car as well so this may have been part of the problem. I only drove it on my very first drift session at Santa Pod so perhaps things will be different now but I doubt it from memory as it was very obviously not fast enough and hard work. I used to often slide around a lot on airfield days and at circuits though and the steering was never a problem then when in higher gears, but I reckon with more angle it probably would show.

21-08-2008, 16:17	#17 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,852	I've got all the setup on the car still so I guess I could leave it on just to try it , and get the car properly setup?

21-08-2008, 16:25	#18 (permalink)
jonnybroadside spl dori master Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ashford, kent Posts: 348	What would be the best pump to use I got far too much other stuff to do to be looking into output pressures of each of the electric power steering pumps on different cars, lol. Would be good if it was easy to find the optimal running pressure of my steering rack and performance of each different PAS pump Will have to look into that but where to start, lol. The boat hydraulic pump may be the best bet if its ok with PAS fluid. If pressure is more than a steering rack would want whoever makes the hoses could prob supply a pressure regulator running to the return pipe

21-08-2008, 16:42	#19 (permalink)
Captain Muppet EuroDrift's slowest loser Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: three feet away from a tiny little turbo Posts: 1,615	Surely you don't want more pressure, just higher flow rate (so it can keep up with the rapid rack movement rather than provide more assistance)? I'm kind of hoping SW20 MR2 bits are the way to go as I might have a spare to sell soon.

21-08-2008, 16:48	#20 (permalink)
gunnerktm spl dori master Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cork Irl/Newcastle UK Posts: 270	Alot of the electric pumps dont have the beans for drifting Apex ran one on there V8 R33 and, i ditched the 106/saxo one of mine Alot of rally cars use them, but they dont see anywhere as much use as a drift car JZ Pumps are wank also So we mounted an SR20 pump to my JZ swap, and seemed to work great,