suspension help needed - Drifting forum

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 10:49

hi all,after thinking long and hard i have decided to keep my s14,so am now looking at more mods i can do. i was thinking of keeping it standard looking but dropping her on coilovers,prefferably the dw hsd ones? would i need the camber adj arms as well???i a confused by all the coilover rubbish sprouted by people who have no idea so constructive advice would be appreciated.oh btw i only use the car on the road but may use it on the track eventually

cheers all

royal · 04-10-2008, 11:08

Coilovers to lower and harden the ride. You then need adjustables to get the geometry right. The most sensible thing is to get adjustable rear camber arms (the upper s14 arms that look like half loops). That'll let you get the rear camber sorted.

At the front go for adjustable front caster arms (tension arms). That'll give you sorted caster (wheel centralising after being sidways).
Tein tie rods and ends for more lock will make a massive difference.

G-Man · 04-10-2008, 11:50

dave, it almost sounds like you know what you're talking about!!

Alternatively you can go to www.anglegrinderhire.net/cutyoursprings and lower it for a fraction of the cost...

royal · 04-10-2008, 12:00

Don't be ridiculous mate

you've seen my cars

I only know because I've broke every single suspension bit so many times that I know exactly what they do now haha still never seem to have the car setup properly but there you go!
Trying to turn over a new leaf and have a sorted car now, I'm sure it will last at least 10minutes before I break more stuff and havn't got time to sort it

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 14:56

so i definately need the rear camber arms and front caster arms? i am confused?

royal · 04-10-2008, 16:34

You dont have to get them, but to get the car setup good when its lowered you need them. They are just the minimum things to get the car setup nicely. The other arms (lower ones etc) are only really necessary if you want to widen the track width (width between the wheels).

If you don't get rear upper camber arms you'll have too much negative camber when the car is low. This will wear away the tyres on the inside too quickly.

For drifting peeps try to have only a little rear negative camber say 1 degree, and quite a lot of front negative camber 2.5degrees or more.

Front negative camber is done by the top mounts on the driftworks coilovers.

You don't definately need the caster arms but they are well worth getting at the same time seeing as you are working on the area anyway. The tein track rods are also very very good additions because they give you more lock.

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 16:44

beginning to get it now,sorry for being thick

in all honesty i was gonna get the apex type 2 coilovers which at the moment come with camber arms,does this sound ok?i know its not dw kit but in a perfect world i woud go for these but cash does not allow this close to christmas and i cant turn down a deal like that can i?

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 17:36

anyone else know if this sounds ok?

royal · 04-10-2008, 19:00

Sounds fine dude.

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 19:14

coolio. so do i def need to sort the front out too then,god i dont get this!!

royal · 04-10-2008, 19:23

Haha! no , don't worry about it! s14 have a fair bit of steering lock anyway. Stick your coilovers and rear camber arms on and then get the other front bits when you are ready.

turbotim200 · 04-10-2008, 19:29

nice one chap.thanks so much for all your help,mucho appreciated. will get them sorted and try and post some pics

Vova · 04-10-2008, 22:27

You don't need adjustable rods persé, I have dropped mine 55 front and 40 rear, the rear has 2.3c negative camber now, which is still not enough for me as I drive on the Nordschleife most of the time. It actually doesn't even wear the tire down that much! I have 4.0 - 4.6 - 4.6 wear from left to right on the left rear tire, so as I said, not enough camber as it looks the tire apparantly rolls over too much due to tire-wall flex(225/50) and wears on the outside. Camber FTW y0!

turbotim200 · 05-10-2008, 09:46

well i am running 25mm h&r spacers with mazda rx8 18" wheels want to be able to slaaam if i want to as i think slammed 14s look really good.so thought coilovers would be the way to go?

Rayne · 05-10-2008, 21:27

Listen to Royal, he knows what he is talking about.

Vova is correct as well. Depending on how much the car is lowered an individual can get by without needing adjustable suspension components.

04-10-2008, 10:49	#1 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	suspension help needed hi all,after thinking long and hard i have decided to keep my s14,so am now looking at more mods i can do. i was thinking of keeping it standard looking but dropping her on coilovers,prefferably the dw hsd ones? would i need the camber adj arms as well???i a confused by all the coilover rubbish sprouted by people who have no idea so constructive advice would be appreciated.oh btw i only use the car on the road but may use it on the track eventually cheers all

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04-10-2008, 11:08	#2 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,819	Coilovers to lower and harden the ride. You then need adjustables to get the geometry right. The most sensible thing is to get adjustable rear camber arms (the upper s14 arms that look like half loops). That'll let you get the rear camber sorted. At the front go for adjustable front caster arms (tension arms). That'll give you sorted caster (wheel centralising after being sidways). Tein tie rods and ends for more lock will make a massive difference.

04-10-2008, 11:50	#3 (permalink)
G-Man i do skids Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grantham Posts: 1,562	dave, it almost sounds like you know what you're talking about!! Alternatively you can go to www.anglegrinderhire.net/cutyoursprings and lower it for a fraction of the cost...

04-10-2008, 12:00	#4 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,819	Don't be ridiculous mate you've seen my cars I only know because I've broke every single suspension bit so many times that I know exactly what they do now haha still never seem to have the car setup properly but there you go! Trying to turn over a new leaf and have a sorted car now, I'm sure it will last at least 10minutes before I break more stuff and havn't got time to sort it

04-10-2008, 14:56	#5 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	so i definately need the rear camber arms and front caster arms? i am confused?

04-10-2008, 16:34	#6 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,819	You dont have to get them, but to get the car setup good when its lowered you need them. They are just the minimum things to get the car setup nicely. The other arms (lower ones etc) are only really necessary if you want to widen the track width (width between the wheels). If you don't get rear upper camber arms you'll have too much negative camber when the car is low. This will wear away the tyres on the inside too quickly. For drifting peeps try to have only a little rear negative camber say 1 degree, and quite a lot of front negative camber 2.5degrees or more. Front negative camber is done by the top mounts on the driftworks coilovers. You don't definately need the caster arms but they are well worth getting at the same time seeing as you are working on the area anyway. The tein track rods are also very very good additions because they give you more lock.

04-10-2008, 16:44	#7 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	beginning to get it now,sorry for being thick in all honesty i was gonna get the apex type 2 coilovers which at the moment come with camber arms,does this sound ok?i know its not dw kit but in a perfect world i woud go for these but cash does not allow this close to christmas and i cant turn down a deal like that can i?

04-10-2008, 17:36	#8 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	anyone else know if this sounds ok?

04-10-2008, 19:00	#9 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,819	Sounds fine dude.

04-10-2008, 19:14	#10 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	coolio. so do i def need to sort the front out too then,god i dont get this!!

04-10-2008, 19:23	#11 (permalink)
royal S1- F.T break! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,819	Haha! no , don't worry about it! s14 have a fair bit of steering lock anyway. Stick your coilovers and rear camber arms on and then get the other front bits when you are ready.

04-10-2008, 19:29	#12 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	nice one chap.thanks so much for all your help,mucho appreciated. will get them sorted and try and post some pics

04-10-2008, 22:27	#13 (permalink)
Vova touge runner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Netherlands, in Maastricht Posts: 195	You don't need adjustable rods persé, I have dropped mine 55 front and 40 rear, the rear has 2.3c negative camber now, which is still not enough for me as I drive on the Nordschleife most of the time. It actually doesn't even wear the tire down that much! I have 4.0 - 4.6 - 4.6 wear from left to right on the left rear tire, so as I said, not enough camber as it looks the tire apparantly rolls over too much due to tire-wall flex(225/50) and wears on the outside. Camber FTW y0!

05-10-2008, 09:46	#14 (permalink)
turbotim200 doughnutter Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: norwich Posts: 53	well i am running 25mm h&r spacers with mazda rx8 18" wheels want to be able to slaaam if i want to as i think slammed 14s look really good.so thought coilovers would be the way to go?

05-10-2008, 21:27	#15 (permalink)
Rayne tail slider Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: On the other side of Atlantic ocean. Posts: 115	Listen to Royal, he knows what he is talking about. Vova is correct as well. Depending on how much the car is lowered an individual can get by without needing adjustable suspension components.