S CHASSIS Alignments

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  1. mitto

    mitto -NIGHTSPIRT FAMILY-

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    Due to the high number of Alignment requests I keep getting through PM, I've decided to put something up here to save my sanity and poor fingers, which are wearing the letters off my keyboard :)

    These settings are only a guide and require you to do a bit of thinking for yourself :smash:

    Measurements are in degrees' and minutes" (not . of a degree!) For example - 1'30" is ONE DEGREE AND 30 MINUTES, NOT one point three degrees.

    Before alignment, check your tyre pressures! 32PSI front and 40PSI rear is a good start point.

    Traction links are set at standard length for these settings.

    If you over centre the steering too much, then reduce the castor angle. This applies to all settings.

    THESE SETTINGS ARE BASED ON THE S14 / S15 PLATFORM. They should work with S13 variants with a touch less castor for each.

    TOE SETTINGS ARE PER SIDE.


    STREET / DRIFT / DAILY

    FRONT
    camber 2'50"
    castor 7'30"
    toe 0'00"

    REAR
    camber 1'10"
    toe 0'00"

    RESULT:

    Positive steering feel
    Will not grab or snap
    Stable and consistent control


    MINIMAL STREET / DRIFT USE

    FRONT
    camber 2'50"
    castor 7'30"
    toe 0'05" OUT

    REAR
    camber 1'10"
    toe 0'10" IN

    RESULT

    Stable but reactive steering
    Strong rear end grip, will push you forwards
    Stable, but needs accurate driver imput


    JAPANESE STYLE DRIFT ONLY

    Using a trackday tire on the front (AD08, V70A, R888, RSR, etc... no not FK452, R1R)

    FRONT
    camber 3'20"
    castor 7'30"
    toe 0'15" OUT

    REAR
    camber 1'10"
    toe 0'10" IN

    RESULT

    Front end bites on drift
    Understeer without commitment to drift
    FAST direction change
    Stable, but needs accurate driver imput


    WESTERN STYLE DRIFT ONLY

    FRONT
    camber 3'20"
    castor 6'50"
    toe 0'05" OUT

    REAR
    camber 0'30"
    toe 0'10" IN

    RESULT

    Flat grip level, consistent to drive
    More driver steering imput required
    Much more grip out of corners
    Reduced aggression in car
    More power required


    DRIFT ONLY WITH GEOMASTERS

    THESE ARE THE SETTINGS FROM MY S14 & S15, this is the only experience I have playing with the Geomasters. The settings are Japanese style and require serious aggression at the wheel (Not that i have enough!). You NEED proper tyres on the front at least for this.

    FRONT
    camber 4'20"
    castor 7'20"
    toe 0'20" OUT

    REAR
    camber 1'20"
    toe 0'10" IN

    RESULT




    PLEASE SHARE YOUR RESULTS & FEEDBACK HERE!

    UPDATE

    Hello everyone asking questions about specific set-ups!

    I'm still getting a huge number of messages on here and on Facebook with regards to alignment. The reason for this thread is to try to help everyone, but I cannot give specific settings on an individual basis. Drift settings are complex and diverse, so if you want me to act as a consultant for you, then please drop me a PM and we can work the cost from there.

    Thanks, Mitto
     
    #1 mitto, Mar 15, 2012
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2014
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    sparkySX New Member

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    Cheers for this Mitto, very useful and informative!
     
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    This is very helpful. Ive been tweaking with your street setup for a while now and cant thank you enough..
     
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    dale_b #DriftFactory

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    Do you use these settings on your toy car too?
     
  5. mitto

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    nope.

    MR4TC =

    camber 6'00"
    castor 12'00" (8'00" c-hub)
    toe 0'40"
    kick up 5mm
    Spring Yokomo Medium/soft
    Oil #450

    camber 3'35"
    toe 3.5 (INNER) 0.5 (OUTER)
    kick up 4mm
    spring Vertex soft
    oil #350

    oh sorry, were you taking the piss?
     
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    ive been looking for this for ages :D

    thank you very much mitto you hero:worthy:
     
  7. Geldy

    Geldy the pain train woowo

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    that car will be back on the track next year ;)
     
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    SRRay mr fussy!

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    fair play mitto!

    lots there for people to work with
     
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    Daze THROWDOWN

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    Just found this thread as I'm going for alignment on Saturday, I'm going for a mix between what I'm used to already and the settings above.

    Thanks, let you know how I get on & how the car feels :)
     
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    mitto -NIGHTSPIRT FAMILY-

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    ^^^ if you mix it up then it's not one of mine... TINY changes make a massive difference.
     
  11. Brunosr13

    Brunosr13 old school fun

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    Yes do, just a quick note, if you have the front wide then the rear or other way around would make difference.
     
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    Hudson. JIBES

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    Eh?!

    Going for alighnment on saturday too. Based on the geomaster settings but with like -5* front camber to fit my wheels lol.

    last time i tried 2* total toe out on the front with a smidge of toe in at the rear, soooo shit. Will have a go with what you've mentioned above see how it goes :)
     
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    Got some R32 specs motherlover?
     
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    jonny mac 1jzS14

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    going to try these settings in forza for just now since i wont be doing allignment for a long time :D

    keeping them saved, cheers mitto!
     
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    very useful will try some of these settings thanks
     
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    Using the street/daily/drift settings with a touch more front camber because of wheel fitment. Although looking at it i should pull it from just over 3 to 2*50. i'll be completely honest, I dont drift, never have, probs never will to any great extent. But the way this handles is awesome, if the back end decideds to power step out its soo predictable and if i give it a cheecky flick it breaks easy yet pullls back into shape just as effortlessly. Been giving the s14 some shite on my local lanes and its so much better than when it was on the KYB/Eibachs (HSD now) Cant wait to get to Blyton for track time at SXOC Weekender and try it there :thumbs:
     
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  19. Mitch

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    I take it you know he means adjustable ones, right? I doubt John would consider driving without traction arms. I suppose stranger things have happened up Buxton way though :wack:
     
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    I have a S-body (s14) but since Ive added +25mm to the lower arm I think I cant get close to 2degrees 50minutes camber but we will see will this affect the minimal street/Drift use if the end results will be -3 or even -3.5camber upfront?

    Car has geomasters and DW kinked GTR tensionrods up front, no geomasters on the back, minimal street use will occure (10% of the time)
    Scrap tires 95% of the time on the back and something like cheap federal 595s up front.
    Shit whitelite ARB front and rear 325whp

    Something like this
    FRONT
    camber 3'30"
    castor 7'30"
    toe 0'05" OUT

    REAR
    camber 1'10"
    toe 0'10" IN
     
    #20 shirunai, May 8, 2012
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