Can anyone tell me if the clutch and flywheel in the BEAMs 3SGE with 6spd manual box from the Altezza is the same as any other 3S engines? or Altezza specific. Also, am I right in thinking that 4AGE 20v blacktop ITBs are 50mm, and would feed the 3SGE engine ok. If so, what management could be used whilst retaining the VVTI? Thanks
Hmm it seems 20v silvertop ITBs are 42mm, and blacktop ones are 45mm, right? I think 'busa ITBs are 44mm And SR20 Pulsar ITBs are around 45mm also? Soooo.. would the 20v blacktop/sr20/busa ITBs be ok to flow enough for a 210-220bhp 2000cc lump that revs to 9000ish? I think blacktop 20v ones pretty much bolt on, I'll have a check later. But they're probably the most expensive out of the bunch.
You aint thinking about Beam's-ing the corolla are you? I think the F20 is a touch weak, the Beams would be even worse.
You do realise you cant pick throttle bodies by DCOE sizing dont you? Ie 40mm DCOEs might be small, but 40mm TBs are totally different. But Pulsar bodies are for forced induction so dont need to be big. Heres a quote for you... Basic references for BHP per cylinder, assuming ca 120mm from butterfly to valve head and a max of 9,000 rpm are... Up to 30bhp per cyl - 30mm TBs. up to 33 - 32mm up to 39 - 35mm up to 46 - 38mm up to 51 - 40mm up to 56 - 42mm Up to 65 - 45mm up to 74 - 48mm up to 80 - 50mm up to 87 - 52mm up to 93 - 54mm. These power figures may be increased by up to 10% in a purpose - designed and well proportioned system. Another interesting quote relevant to the size thing, but about SINGLE bodies... It helps to understand the relationship between size and output to consider that a 2L Formula 3 engine produces 200+BHP through a single 26mm (531 sq mm) restrictor, whilst, say, a 75mm throttle body is eight times larger at 4,418 sq mm! Similarly, in an experiment to curb the power of 270 BHP touring car engines, we reduced the size of the single throttle body to less than 44mm (1520 sq mm) before there was any noticeable reduction.
Cheers for the informazzzions Paz, I'm not going to BEAMs my current Corolla - don't fix what isn't broken and that. But I want to put the beams engine in something small and light, so we'll see whatever base I can find . A Corolla would be nice though I reckon.
BEAMS in a rolla wud be mint. 6 speed box on a 4:7 wud rock! 20v ITBs will be fine. in fact the pulsar ones will be fine too unless ur going for big power but ae101/ae111 will do just fine. i have 20v bodies on my 4age and it runs 240bhp with NOS and shes brand new shampoo. Bodies alone and management shud free up some torque on the midrange and slap some cams in for some more power top end. if ur going management just bang a OMEX or VEMS on to her and ur up. cheap and cheerful or even a Power FC but i dont know if they run crank sensor of smelly map sensor on an intake plenum? if so, go crank trigger and get omex/vems.
the world needs a beams escort with a topi at the wheel me thinks. (and not my dumb Beams Cressy idea )
if your still after any of this info i can pass on all the details from my conversion... beams and blacktop quads. let me know
Ya keep us posted fella, Martin Ffrench built a blacktop beams booter ae86 a while back so going to ask him too...
car - ae86 engine - beams 3sge blacktop. s13 front suspension. My experiance with this swap, not complete yet a couple weeks of little shit jobs to go , has been pretty straightforward. The BEST thing you can do to make this go well is to go quads. The inlet manifold on these is massive and short of placing the engine VERY forward, it wont clear the brake booster in rhd cars - im in oz You euro guys with lhd would have a bit more luck Make or buy an adaptor for the blacktop throttles as a minimum. The spacing between cylinder 1,2 and 3,4 is the same as a 4a, but the gap between 3 and 4 is bigger.there is a very nice gentleman here in oz who does great cast adaptors, he also makes his own throttles, a true 50mm. They also make an aparent difference, but i couldnt justify the price. In engine placement, forward makes everything easy, and little to no firewall modification. You do need a custom sway bar, and probably mod the bonnet or not run the cover - it adds a fair bit of height Using 2s engine mounts would mount this well and match to the standard 4a crossmember well enough. I went with custom mounts on the crossmember to utilise the altezza mounts. I also moved the engine back enough to need a fair bit of firewall work. I went with a 5 speed w box cos it make the fitting easier, but i modded the tunnel anyways, so it would make life a bit easier with starter motors later on to stick to 6 speed. One advantage of the 5 speed is with the right box selection, my shifter comes up in the standard whole Im using a local aus ecu, adaptronic. Runs the constant variable timing well and is a VERY easy to use and VERY cheap ecu with great tunning results. esults with this setup generally hit the dyno with + or - 140kw atw. the engine is 12kg heavier than the 4a and the box is about 14 kg heavier. Also the standard exhaust seems to fit fine. Im using a trd copy manifold and i modded the passenger floor pan with a hammer a bit to clear not much, but a bit. hope it helps guys ask anything i might have left out, ill try and get it sorted
SAWEEEEEEEETTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!, I have a te37 and want to swap in a Beams, I got an ae86 crossmemeber and suspension ready to go in, I am currently working on acquiring some hard to get bits first, then get my hands on the Beams and Altezza motor mounts. I will be in touch to pick your brain on those ITB's im in the USA so alot of those parts are hard to come by..
The flywheel and clutches for the 3s engines vary, the altezza/beams engine has a small one than mr2/gt4 because the starter motor engagement is different, depending on what gearbox your planning on using, you could theoretically use the bigger one. If you want a hardcore clutch & flywheel for beams look no further than JUN S-Metal and ultralight flywheel. iv got a BEAMS blacktop 3sge with loom and ecu, 63k miles if anyone is looking for one.
i want to know how they controll a beams with itbs? i dont know any aftermarket ECU which handel !DUAL! VVTI and alpha N. Do you guys disable the VVTI?
there are ecus out there but you have to utilise the spare outputs usually which are not normally labelled as vvti outputs etc. I am sure megasquirt can be used to do this. Commonly blacktop itbs are used on the beams with an adaptor plate that some japanese company sells.
um i think you mix up VVT with VVTI ;-) megasquirt cant controll it, along with 99% of other ecu´s. its not like ON/OFF on the older heads.
